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Old 09.05.2013, 06:45 AM   #45821
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Thanks for making me late to work, arsehole.

All in all, Hesitation Marks may be getting too much credit. The Fragile got the same consistent praise, but when sales declined, people started seeing it for what it was: two meh albums, with one great one spread out, sporadically, within its two hour duration.

Half of that shit at least deserved no better than B-side status. Still, "into the void" and "somewhat damaged" and "the Great Below" (aka "Hurt pt.2" aka "Something I can Never Have pt.3") are indicators of the greatness that could have been.
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Old 09.05.2013, 08:00 AM   #45822
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Old 09.05.2013, 11:33 AM   #45823
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I have heard the drummer in the gigs is ugly. Was he?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. He has a big scraggly beard, so probably depends how you feel about that. Most importantly he did a damn good job playing drums in Black Sabbath, without which they would not have been able to rock my face off. His extended drum solo was flashy and impressive, but lacked groove/swing. Of course it would have been awesome to have Bill Ward up there, but all signs point to him being physically, mentally, and musically not up to the task.
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Old 09.05.2013, 07:57 PM   #45824
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Mick Hutson/Redferns/Getty Images The difference between The Fragile and Kid A is that Radiohead was mostly rewarded for taking a deliberately difficult and (at times) inscrutably insular left turn. If you were a crazy contrarian, you could argue that Kid A is actually a failure in this regard, because it's a self-consciously "alienating" record that made people who cared the most about Radiohead believe even more intensely in the group's integrity. But for Reznor, The Fragile really was a gamble that, in the short term, did not pay off. The album was considered such a disappointment that Interscope Records wouldn't pay for a tour; Reznor had to pay for concerts that promoted a record that Interscope was selling out of his own pocket.
Nine Inch Nails was (and still is) a lot more popular than Radiohead. (Among the mainstream rock audience, The Downward Spiral towers over OK Computer in terms of sales and radio airplay.) This affected the perception of what was essentially a self-indulgent project created in open defiance of audience expectations. What made Radiohead seem brave made Reznor appear delusional and even arrogant.


This is really quite brilliant. I've never heard anyone (other than myself) put together such a compelling thought provoking argument in support of Reznor/NIN's acceptance and acknowledgment as a "serious" and influential artist, whose career has been under appreciated by the alt rock literati.

Still, I'm not sure the argument needed to be made. I think there are still a lot of people out there who view NIN as a decaying 90s relic who is just limping on in a career that everyone knows has been dead longer than his influence extended. Those people are doing themselves a disservice, not Trent.

I think I saw this coming back when With Teeth was about to be released, and the Killers were all over the radio. Something about the overt Joy Division and Depeche Mode worship that was becoming trendy among "post punk" (or, SPIN's version of post punk) made me think that NIN's music would find a place in audiophile vinyl shops, and the playlists of kids who would shape trends for the next generation.

NIN shares more with the more "vintage" and retro focused heavy hitters of the 00s indie rock scene (Xiu Xiu, LCD Soundsystem, Arcade Fire, !!!) than I ever would have thought possible back when Pantera fans were buying Broken. I am pleased that Im not alone in believing that associating Trent Reznor with the 90s alt rock scene alone is just a fallacy at this point. It was his least productive decade, and anyone who was reading daily blurbs on SeemsLikeSalvation during the deadly space between albums, when The Fragile felt about as likely to happen as the second coming of Christ will agree on that, I'm sure.

I keep listening to Hesitstion Marks, however, and I think my appreciation for it is waning. Song by song, it's way behind The Slip and Year Zero. But shit, who cares? It's new NIN, and that's all it has to be until it falls into perspective and becomes part of the mythos.

Classy piece though. Damn classy piece.
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I love that he won an Oscar. I look at that picture and a million captions and word bubbles come to kind. Among them, "Hipsters, start your engines"; "Hey Maynard..... Look. How's that Grammy holdin' up?" And of course something for the TRL assholes who killed the Fragile with nasty journalistic thought control.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. He has a big scraggly beard, so probably depends how you feel about that. Most importantly he did a damn good job playing drums in Black Sabbath, without which they would not have been able to rock my face off. His extended drum solo was flashy and impressive, but lacked groove/swing. Of course it would have been awesome to have Bill Ward up there, but all signs point to him being physically, mentally, and musically not up to the task.
Well, I didn´t mean the way he looks. I have heard he`s quite opposite of playing comparing Bill Ward & Brad Wilk. I have heard he has to put fills in every part of the song he just can (like really many heavy drummers do), so I think it´s quite awful playing when you compare it to the style of Ward´s.
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err, i don't know why anyone would like any angsty mainstream band besides Nirvana from the 90's. seems void and dull.
uhh i'm not really into that type of music either. i still love Nirvana much more than the average rock fan though. i would take them over the Pixies anyday. some people seem to think i'm crazy for that.
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Old 09.06.2013, 09:27 AM   #45830
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of course i like them but Nirvana has a special place in my heart. perhaps nostalgia is a big part of it too. but i love their music, atittude, what they stood for (at least in my mind), everything. would still watch Kurt documentaries for hours.
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Old 09.06.2013, 01:37 PM   #45831
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Old 09.06.2013, 09:35 PM   #45833
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Same about Nirvana. They were the giants of our era, even if we're both probably a bit too young (I rarely get to use those words in reference to myself... that's the only reason I'm typing right now) to have had the full experience. The Pixies are, of course, classic. But compared to their own peers (Husker Du, REM, Dino) they have aged very poorly. Nirvana obliterates every band they were associated with in the 90s. And I get more of an emotional reaction from listening to Nirvana than I do from the Pixies. This is obviously because, while I may not still be a horny collegiate narcissist, taking black and white photos of things to show girls my depth ( for more on this read my entry in the Pixies thread ), I AM still TOTALLY pissed off about ALMOST every single aspect of existence.

So, fuck yeah Nirvana.
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Same about Nirvana. They were the giants of our era, even if we're both probably a bit too young (I rarely get to use those words in reference to myself... that's the only reason I'm typing right now) to have had the full experience. The Pixies are, of course, classic. But compared to their own peers (Husker Du, REM, Dino) they have aged very poorly. Nirvana obliterates every band they were associated with in the 90s. And I get more of an emotional reaction from listening to Nirvana than I do from the Pixies. This is obviously because, while I may not still be a horny collegiate narcissist, taking black and white photos of things to show girls my depth ( for more on this read my entry in the Pixies thread ), I AM still TOTALLY pissed off about ALMOST every single aspect of existence.

So, fuck yeah Nirvana.

Nirvana only survived with grace because they didn't survive at all. Had Nirvana tried to make another album, it would have been the beginning of the end. Kurt may have bee able to start a career in a new band, clearly Dave moved on with Foo Fighters, but Nirvana was definitely at its high-water mark, Then Kurt died, and the Elvis effect kicked it. Bob Marley, Tupac, when artists who are already popular die in their prime, they not only become martyrs, they become almost Greek Titan heroes!! Nirvana is at that threshold, it is a trip to see my teenage students wearing Nirvana shirts, even the Seniors were born in 1996/97!!! They're listening to Nirvana like us 80s/90s kids were listening to Zeppelin, Floyd, and Sabbath, a FULL GENERATION REMOVED.
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He is just trying desperately NOT to hear Noel and Liam ruin the world with their terrible "music."

 
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