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Old 09.13.2013, 07:22 PM   #45801
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Misfits boring? WHA!!! really!!??

first Jack Nicholson now Misfits. Suchfriends, you bout to be on my chump list.

and In Utero doesn't have shit on Nevermind. Nevermind is Nirvana in all their glory.

First, who the fuck ever implied that I don't like Jack Nicholson. I LOVE Jack Nicholson, just not his work before the 1980s. Second, Nevermind is a terribly over-produced, overly "pop" record which even the band admitted to regretting. What they wanted to do was lost in production, Butch Vig murdered that record. So the band put out WHAT THEY WANTED NIRVANA to sound like on In Utero. It is the more "Nirvana" sounding record, it reflects more of the what their stage-show consisted of from 1990-1994. Also, please note, if you like those boring beefcake "pseudo-punks" the Misfits then you are already on my chump list homie, see the links I posted. THAT is punk, Misfits? Not so much
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Old 09.13.2013, 07:48 PM   #45802
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i didn't mean it like that Such. maybe i should've implied more. i just meant you were pickin on his late 60's, 70's work.

no. Butch Vig didn't ruin Nevermind. that score goes to Andy Wallace, which the band themselves picked. naively. and "pop" hooks is what made Nirvana.

and why shouldn't the Misfits be a punk band? great classic hooks, Glen's voice, the rough production. they were awesome MAN!!!! though when i think about punk, haha........i dont think about The Misfits.



 

My bias, I'm a recovering crusty from the gutter scene, the whole punk enough pissing contests about authenticity or sincerity dominate our narrative. I just don't think the Misfits are aggressive enough musically compared to the bands I linked such as Varukers, Allergic to Whores, or Civil Disobedience. Further, I was dissing them more in the context of Rob's comments that somehow In Utero is boring, but the Misfits aren't. Simply put, punk enough or not, I find their music slow, unoriginal, and boring.
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Old 09.13.2013, 08:03 PM   #45803
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your idea of punk is twisted and weird in a UK commercial late 70's fashion sense. or maybe thud headed 80's hardcore.


Actually, believe it or not the peak of crust, gutter, and anarcho punk is the mid-to-late 1990s. In the late 70s-to-mid-80s there are some pioneer and cornerstone bands of the genre, but in the 1990s the scene was expanded, there were WAY more bands, WAY more shows, and WAY more crustys all over the place lying in gutters drinking and bumming change. I know, I was one of them

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to yr dislike of The Misfits. fuck punk!!! i see them as a good-time drinking rock n roll band. they're just simple and fun. half of what "punk" was all about in the first place.


To that I can agree emphatically, but I still find it boring, and the entire point was that Rob said it was better than In Utero, to which I disagree, its way more boring in my opinion. Needs more blast beats, growls, and unintelligible pissed off lyrics that are exclusively NOT about your ex-girlfriends
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Old 09.13.2013, 08:23 PM   #45804
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also, why does punk or The Misfits have to be pissed off? can't it just be a bunch of jerk-offs playing 3 chords?


Of course, but that is boring
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Old 09.14.2013, 12:39 AM   #45805
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the only time someone mentioned "gutter punk" was some schizo hippie who visited Monterey once and got his ass kicked by them. now i know what he was talking about.

also, why does punk or The Misfits have to be pissed off? can't it just be a bunch of jerk-offs playing 3 chords?

and guitars are a great way to deal with ex-girlfriend problems. always has been.

Punk is, by my definition, more often the latter than the former. When I think of punk, true punk, I think of Half Japanese, Beat Happening, Sonic Youth, Spacemen 3, the Fall, Ramones, Stooges, and the Birthday Party. All bands that it would be unfair to call " angry," since they made music that channeled so many emotions other than anger and frustration.

That said, I also think of tons of pissed off bands, who were defined by their pissedoffedness (Minor Threat, Albini/Big Black, Nirvana, Dead Kennedys). most of those bands were more frustrated than angry, or they were angry about social issues. Anger is definitely part of the deal, but it's not a prerequisite for punk. Emotion, however, and an absolute refusal to inhibit the expression of your emotions, no matter how chaotic, silly, or retarded it makes you look/sound... That is an absolute necessity.

Those bands up there did anger, sure. But they also did whatever the fuck else they were feeling. Punk is more artistic by design than angry, from my perspective. I think it's a broader genre than the stereotypes would suggest.

Gutter punks are pretty angry and violent. Though the angry ones tend to be the alcoholic ones, who are usually pretty good people. It's the smack and speed fiend gutter punks who will surprise you with how quickly they can get a sharp object into your leg and start throwing blows.
And these are the 39-40 year old "GP" I'm talking about. The 20-30 are probably absolute fucking bastards, and I hope I never encounter anyone under the age of 20 who I would call, or who calls himself (because really, what's worse than that, you know?) "gutter punk." I don't think I would be able to handle it.
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In Utero? Misfits? BORING?

..to each one their own i guess.
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Gutter punks are pretty angry and violent. Though the angry ones tend to be the alcoholic ones, who are usually pretty good people. It's the smack and speed fiend gutter punks who will surprise you with how quickly they can get a sharp object into your leg and start throwing blows.

The 20-30 are probably absolute fucking bastards, and I hope I never encounter anyone under the age of 20 who I would call, or who calls himself (because really, what's worse than that, you know?) "gutter punk." I don't think I would be able to handle it.

You know, that is a true statement. In my teens and early 20s as a punk, we used to get into way too many brawls. That is in part, a significant reason why a joined up with a bunch of Rastafari folks, after spending several years getting into street fights hanging out with punks and getting fucking shot at hanging out with gangsters (yeah, I made a lot of poor decisions in my younger days), a lifestyle around peace, harmony, and brotherly love with your neighbors was very centering. Its made me an entirely different person, and I haven't had to get in a fight or almost stab somebody in at least seven years!

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That summarizes my best friend Mikey D and like 10 other people I used to hang out with. Me and Mike were in a crust band together. Mike was a fucking brawler, and a miserable drunk. but he remains one of the best people I've ever known, guy has serious heart. He settled down, sort of, just last year after having his first son. We were thinking, finally! Yeah, gutter punks will get you into some shit, but it is what it is, great music and as you said, drunk aside generally good people.
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to me, boring is something like Adele.

then again, over the years i've seen pretty much every artist getting called "boring" here, including SY themselves.

name one artist who isn't boring. YOU CAN'T.
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to me, boring is something like Adele.

then again, over the years i've seen pretty much every artist getting called "boring" here, including SY themselves.

name one artist who isn't boring. YOU CAN'T.




 


e-40 is NEVER boring and he got like 50 albums now! Maybe I'm just too hood like that.. biased
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chocolate ladyland, sweet jesus the top two are good. FF not really what I wanted from them but having followed them for so long it's a development which is wholly welcome. armed courage is just another fucking classic from a band who are certainly among the greatest of all time at this point. since I last paid out halcyon digest on here it's gained a bit of respect in my eyes (mainly because monomania is perhaps the worst album I've ever heard in my life, seriously), not because of its songs but rather a renewed like for its atmosphere, that feeling it perpetuates. still not a patch on microcastle/weird era, much less cryptograms and fluorescent grey.

 

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also in & out of rotation...
craig leon - nommos
pere ubu - dub housing
gate - moths
daniel menche - marriage of metals
hair & skin trading company - jo in nine g hell
wreck small speakers on expensive stereos - river falling love
derek bailey - incus taps
bruce gilbert - this way
parquet courts - american specialties
vakula - you've never been to konotop
the clean - vehicle
mats gustafsson - bengt
stare case - ash from the burning....vol 2
company flow - funcrusher plus
dinosaur jr. - you're living all over me
nico - the end...
bill orcutt - the history of everyone
sun araw - heavy deeds
helm - silencer
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uv race - racism
mad nanna - I made blood better
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Holy shit this is great. I've been really digging Sub Pop's newer "loud rock" signings (this, METZ, Pissed Jeans, No Age, even Dum Dum Girls)
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I was comparing In Ute with Bleach and Nevermind, two propulsively listenable albums. In Utes is like a dirge I don;t wanna hear. Mudhoney does dirges better than In Utero in their sleep.
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