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Old 02.12.2008, 04:32 PM   #21
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At least she isn't behind Ron Paul. Like a number of boardies.
Ron Paul is the only honest man running.
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Old 02.12.2008, 04:33 PM   #22
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oops I mean 'person'....can't forget about hilldog
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Old 02.12.2008, 04:39 PM   #23
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I think the world would be a better place if we all just stopped paying attention to each other and minded our own business.

Weird argument as the ever rising individualism mostly affect people's lives in a very bad way.
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Old 02.12.2008, 04:42 PM   #24
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Ron Paul is the only honest man running.
I've never been one for conservatism.
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Old 02.12.2008, 04:55 PM   #25
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I've never been one for conservatism.
That's where we differ.
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Old 02.12.2008, 05:56 PM   #26
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to each their own but ron paul? what a joke. what kind of jock jams-loving cop-hating kids will vote for that idiot? (please, please take offense)

however, i think it's foolish to "basically" think obama and hillary are the same. mccain isn't as conservative as hillary, i think.
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Old 02.12.2008, 06:00 PM   #27
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well i think a lot of young people who like him are just not informed of his politics, i know a few here that thought he seemed like a visionary until they got a look at his stanch unwaivering belief in the constitution as it was written
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Old 02.12.2008, 07:34 PM   #28
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to each their own but ron paul? what a joke. what kind of jock jams-loving cop-hating kids will vote for that idiot? (please, please take offense)

however, i think it's foolish to "basically" think obama and hillary are the same. mccain isn't as conservative as hillary, i think.
You have no idea what you're talking about...And the consitution is a wonderful thing. Ron Paul is for lowering taxes and limiting federal government. These aren't 'visionary' ideas, they are conservative concepts that have been swept under the rug by modern Republicans.
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Old 02.12.2008, 08:20 PM   #29
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i think ultimately he is too radical for his own good on certain topics, he is anti-abortion which turns off too many independents and is against many gay rights like adoption

he's too polarizing to really be a real contender
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Old 02.12.2008, 09:54 PM   #30
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Yes, he is pro-life. But he believes that these issues should be resolved by the state (hence the people).
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Old 02.12.2008, 09:56 PM   #31
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my respect for this woman is now under review.
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Old 02.13.2008, 03:53 AM   #32
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I don't find Obama "inspiring" AT ALL.
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Old 02.13.2008, 03:54 AM   #33
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I don't find Obama "inspiring" AT ALL.

I find him filling the country with empty promises, is that wrong?
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Old 02.13.2008, 03:57 AM   #34
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His intentions are probably good, but he's not a realist. Fucking Utopian he is.
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Old 02.13.2008, 04:02 AM   #35
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His intentions are probably good, but he's not a realist. Fucking Utopian he is.

Yeah, that is what I get, he is not a realist. But after eight years of conservatism he seems like a beam of light at the end of a tunnel, and he is also winning votes from conservatives, as well as independents. He got in at the right time, when everyone is tired of coservatism ripping all the core values of America, he took a bold step in not mirroring Hillary.
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Old 02.13.2008, 04:06 AM   #36
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A political dilemma is you ask me.
I honestly wouldn't know what to vote for in this day and age, if I was American.
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Old 02.13.2008, 03:33 PM   #37
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A politician is a politician is a politician....I don't think a lot of people will EVER be satisfied. Remember, no one is perfect and you can't agree with someone on everything. What do people realistically expect from their government/elected officials? Someone that agrees with you on EVERYTHING? One who will take you out to dinner and later return the favor with a reach around? All "we" are looking for is a leader who is fair, who isn't a total jackass, and one who will take into account INFORMATION when making decisions that not only affect America, but the entire world. No more people with their "God told me to do it" bullshit. Obama is by far the most believable canidate I ever seen in my lifetime for sure. We all see what happened when people voted for someone they'd like to "drink a beer with." Either way, only we can save our own souls, not some guy who is elected to the White House.
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Old 07.20.2008, 09:28 PM   #38
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Here is a link from moveon.org for a FREE Obama button (if you're into that kind of rhythm).

https://political.moveon.org/obamabu...09-4VmRPSx&t=4
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Old 07.22.2008, 03:23 AM   #39
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for the record, Obama IS a conservative, at least by european standards. in fact... the democrat party is more conservative than the english conservative party. go figure.

i'd rather take ron paul, who is in classical terms a complete and utter liberal (and border-line anarchist) than obama who strangely supports the death penalty (unlike paul) and who is all for war and nuclear weapons. do most obama supporters even know why they support him?

no, i don't care who she supports, but i lose respect for anyone who claims that obama 'inspires' them...
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i lose respect for anyone who claims that obama 'inspires' them...
That's kind of a twat thing to say about anyone supporting any candidate.

And you really don't know know what liberalism is if you think an libertarian like Ron Paul is liberal. It isn't liberal to advocate the reduction of social welfare programs.
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