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Old 01.07.2013, 03:17 PM   #2341
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Just seen the FIFA TOP 11. What a crock of shit. You're honestly telling me that there's no other player outside of Real and Barca (Falcao withstanding) who deserve to be on that list?

Not Hummels? Neymar? Fellaini? (I jest on the last one...slightly..)
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Old 01.07.2013, 03:31 PM   #2342
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Old 01.07.2013, 03:38 PM   #2343
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Damn Spanish teams taking over our football.

Ok so hypothetical question. If Ronaldo, Messi and Falcao were all on the same team do you reckon they could work well together? Or would it just end being like the supergroups you get in music ie/too much ego going on?

i don't see a lot of ego in messi, but ronaldo... we all know about him. yet if they split the wings w/ falcao in the middle it would be pure murder for the opposing defense...

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Just seen the FIFA TOP 11. What a crock of shit. You're honestly telling me that there's no other player outside of Real and Barca (Falcao withstanding) who deserve to be on that list?

Not Hummels? Neymar? Fellaini? (I jest on the last one...slightly..)


the other day w/ demonyo we were talking about defenders yeah? he didn't like either pique or sergio ramos if i recall. i find ramos annoying as shit, but gotta admit he's really good. is he the best though? that list looks fucking inbred. i'd put hummels or lahm but lahm vs. dani alves... hm... i dont watch barca enough.

neymar is a pussy and he needs to be tested in big teams to see if he can perform under pressure. it's easy to dance when you face a 2nd rate defense.

it would be sad for the rest of the world if barcelona/ real madrid make the champions final (haven't yet examined fixtures to see if it's possible).
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Old 01.07.2013, 06:22 PM   #2344
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i don't see a lot of ego in messi, but ronaldo... we all know about him. yet if they split the wings w/ falcao in the middle it would be pure murder for the opposing defense...



the other day w/ demonyo we were talking about defenders yeah? he didn't like either pique or sergio ramos if i recall. i find ramos annoying as shit, but gotta admit he's really good. is he the best though? that list looks fucking inbred. i'd put hummels or lahm but lahm vs. dani alves... hm... i dont watch barca enough.

neymar is a pussy and he needs to be tested in big teams to see if he can perform under pressure. it's easy to dance when you face a 2nd rate defense.

it would be sad for the rest of the world if barcelona/ real madrid make the champions final (haven't yet examined fixtures to see if it's possible).

For champions league final I honestly think a german side will be one of them.
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Old 01.07.2013, 06:23 PM   #2345
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Yeah that's gonna be one of them suits where he'll look back, if not tomorrow then certainly in 7 years time and think "...what the frig was I wearing?"
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Old 01.08.2013, 01:08 AM   #2346
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the other day w/ demonyo we were talking about defenders yeah? he didn't like either pique or sergio ramos if i recall. i find ramos annoying as shit, but gotta admit he's really good.

I like Ramos, and Piquet. I just don't think either of them are especially outstanding. Very good, yes, obviously, but I'd be surprised if we end up looking back at them as being anything more than that. As we've chatted about, changes in rules and a general infatuation with Barca/Spain-style midfields have altered the defender's role massively, so my problem is trying to square new methods and approaches with more outdated ones. Although I do still think that too many of today's supposedly great defenders are falling down on some pretty fundamental stuff when they're required simply to defend (proven by a player like Marcello making the FIFA XI).

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I suppose the argument is if they were that good, they'd be playing for either Real or Barcelona. I obviously don't agree with that but I suppose there is at least a grain of truth to it. I'm inclined to agree about Hummels, though. And Lahm should arguably be in there ahead of either Alves or Marcello, two players definitely riding on the coat tails of their teams' successes.
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Old 01.08.2013, 06:10 AM   #2347
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Meanwhile, let the hysteria and speculations begin ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-pep-guardiola

Personally, despite the English press playing it down, I think he may well go to Bayern.
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Old 01.08.2013, 11:04 AM   #2348
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oh, guardiola at bayern could be awesome! heynckes is purportedly retiring at the end of this season so that would be great. how well could he adapt to language/culture is another story, but if he can--- awesome. and if a german team won the champions-- that would be such vindication of their league.

re: the ranks, i think the results from the euros play a big part on these choices. it's like "pirlo-- awesome. but he didn't win the euro!" so that plays a big part-- was watching some spaniard comment on it on tv yesterday and not sure why he was an authority on the subject but he kept bringing up the euros vs. say the champions.

oh, lots to do today and it's 9am! i wish i have more time to comment & reply to the defenders thing..... but quickly i'll ask-- so you think it's more than simply an environmental/change of tactics/offside rule and it's just a matter of individual talent? k gtg...
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oh, guardiola at bayern could be awesome! heynckes is purportedly retiring at the end of this season so that would be great. how well could he adapt to language/culture is another story, but if he can--- awesome. and if a german team won the champions-- that would be such vindication of their league.

It makes sense. Bayern can afford him and I think Germany's less hysterical media (at least compared to England's) would appeal to him. He's not someone who seems to like the media spotlight so if he thought it was tough in Spain I can't see him liking it here. Plus, with the likelihood of Mourinho returning, I wonder if he'd be up for another prolonged dose of the kind of mind-games that contributed to his taking a sabbatical in the first place.

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re: the ranks, i think the results from the euros play a big part on these choices. it's like "pirlo-- awesome. but he didn't win the euro!" so that plays a big part-- was watching some spaniard comment on it on tv yesterday and not sure why he was an authority on the subject but he kept bringing up the euros vs. say the champions.

Chelsea made the CL impossible to base anything on this year - as happened to the Euros when Greece won it. The problem with Pirlo isn't with Pirlo, or Italy but the fact that he's likely competing with Xavi (not Xabi-Alonso, as some have claimed), surely one of the greatest central midfielders ever. I do think Marcello and Alves are there because of the teams they play for but in terms of midfield and forwards, and goalkeeper, I think the FIFA XI pretty much writes itself. A second XI would've almost been more interesting, with players like Zlatan, Ozil, Bale, Pirlo, Ribery, Yaya Toure, Van Persie, Aguero, etc all challenging in a much closer contest.

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No, I've no reason to believe Ramos is less talented than some of the legendary defenders of the past, just that the way the game has gone means his purely defensive talents are no longer as strongly developed as they would've been in previous more defence-minded eras. Defenders now seem to be judged on different things, much of which aren't strictly defending. So it can be no coincidence that most of my very favourite defenders were products of the catenaccio system and that the current defenders I tend to like are those who still evoke that system to some degree, say Vidic or Chiellini. But that's just taste and I'd certainly say a player like Lahm far better reflects what's now expected of a defender and is certainly greater than either of those in the context of his (and their) time.

Edit: Sorry for the stupidly long reply. I'm doing all I can to avoid things I should be doing for work right now.

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Ok so hypothetical question. If Ronaldo, Messi and Falcao were all on the same team do you reckon they could work well together?

we were talking at work about this and picked our "other" team to play fifa's world11

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(couldn't pick a right back).Kompany.Vidic.Lahm
we argued about the midfield although we agreed on Pirlo and Yaya Toure and one other (someone said Gerrard)
then up front we had a three of David Silva.Zlatan.Aguero



we argued about whether Vidic could be in a world's best of 2012/13 when he hasn't played much, and we argued whether Tevez was better than Aguero. And we argued whether Yaya Toure would sit or push on. we argued alot and didn't really come up with anything. and they wouldn't let me have Nathaniel Clyne at right back
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we were talking at work about this and picked our "other" team to play fifa's world11

it-went-a-little-something-like-this
Joe Hart
(couldn't pick a right back).Kompany.Vidic.Lahm
we argued about the midfield although we agreed on Pirlo and Yaya Toure and one other (someone said Gerrard)
then up front we had a three of David Silva.Zlatan.Aguero



we argued about whether Vidic could be in a world's best of 2012/13 when he hasn't played much, and we argued whether Tevez was better than Aguero. And we argued whether Yaya Toure would sit or push on. we argued alot and didn't really come up with anything. and they wouldn't let me have Nathaniel Clyne at right back

I can't say i've much of him aside from watching Germany but surely Laahm can fit in the right-back category?

And as much as I hate Gerrad he's always reliable and ACTUALLY I'd say tehre's a good case for Lampard.
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it-went-a-little-something-like-this
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we argued about the midfield although we agreed on Pirlo and Yaya Toure and one other (someone said Gerrard)
then up front we had a three of David Silva.Zlatan.Aguero

I'd go with:
GK: Hart
DF: Chiellini; Kompany; Hummels; Lahm
MF: Pirlo; Busquets; De Rossi
FW: Zlatan; Di Natale; Van Persie
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i'd put neuer as goalkeeper in the "vs." team. i mean, joe hart is a wall, but neuer doubles up as defender, haa haa ha. the fucker is crazy that way. plus he can shoot a mean penalty.

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Yeah, you're right. Neuer for Hart. Last season I'd have maybe even taken Hart over Casillas but he's having a bit of a dip at the moment (saying that, Casillas isn't even getting picked at Real - although clearly for non footballing reasons).

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BREAKING: Suarez won't shake hands with any of Man United players this Sunday as he doesn't want to risk any injury to his goal scoring hand.
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BREAKING: Suarez won't shake hands with any of Man United players this Sunday as he doesn't want to risk any injury to his goal scoring hand.

yes, you might hate him, but you gotta admit, he's always entertaining
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I'm with Symbols. Suarez is great. And even entertainment aside, given the whole package, would you honestly not want him at Everton? I'd love him at West Ham. Especially today.
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Aye I'm not gonna deny he's a great player. And he'd be an assest for any team he plays for.

Shame he's a cheat who-no matter what the usual columnist in the papers say (Ian Wright, Shearer et al.)-deserves all the flack he gets. No smoke without fire and all that.

I do wonder how much longer he'll be willing to go on not winning trophies at Liverpool.
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Well even though Liverpool lost (punches the air) I'll say they wont have to worry too much about the second half of the season. After a shocking first half by Liverpool the second really showed some muscle. Already Sturridge and Suarez seem to be working incredibly well together.
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have to work today (just catching a break at the moment) so i won't be able to watch the games till tomorrow (maybe)-- but i caught the main action in the news shows. looks pretty good-- interesting in seeing that 2nd half when liverpool reportedly dominated.
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