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Old 12.10.2012, 12:31 PM   #2241
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also, could someone please explain the origin of this to me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBc1veYDpsE

i heard it today chanted w/ "jonjo... jonjo jonjo...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFd5Cci_pE4

And West Ham's classic anti-Frank Lampard song.
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Old 12.10.2012, 01:13 PM   #2242
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFd5Cci_pE4

And West Ham's classic anti-Frank Lampard song.


hilarious

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dang. my wife alerted me that sister act song was proper ancient and i googled the lyrics a bit and i found this shit

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prehistoric!
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Old 12.11.2012, 03:52 AM   #2243
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So Messi scores his 86th goal in a calender season, breaking the record and fueling claims that he's the best ever. But is he capitalising on an era when defending has taken a bit of a step backwards? An era of great forwards but no single great defender I can think of.

 
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Old 12.11.2012, 10:19 AM   #2244
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attacking in today's post-catenaccio world is generally much tougher than the ancient era, no? i mean pele played in 4-2-4 formations...

barcelona's rival real madrid has pepe, sergio ramos, arbeloa, coentrao... no good?

[edit: plus khedira and xabi alonso in the midfield.]

but anyway you definitely make evident the fact that it's sort of impossible to compare. plus, how many matches per year did people play in ancient times? nowadays its 2 a week pretty much non-stop.
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Old 12.11.2012, 10:31 AM   #2245
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Old 12.11.2012, 10:34 AM   #2246
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for what it's worth, I try desperately hard to avoid ruining this thread. My respect for dwmonrail666 is too great.

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Old 12.11.2012, 10:39 AM   #2247
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Messi's still far from a one man show.

Today's Bara is not quite Maradona's Napoli.
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Old 12.11.2012, 12:09 PM   #2248
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Messi's still far from a one man show.

Today's Bara is not quite Maradona's Napoli.

I think that's where some other doubts about Messi come from, the fact that he's playing alongside some of the greatest players ever in Xavi and Iniesta. Taking nothing away from Messi but Maradona never had that.

And el symbols, yeah the defenders you mention are good but I wouldn't say any of them are especially great, either. Chiellini is probably my favourite right now, and Vidic (when he's fit) but I don't think Ramos, Piquet, etc represent any kind of golden era of defenders in the way that say Messi, Iniesta, CRonaldo, Zlatan, Falcao, etc, suggest a golden age for attackers. Catenaccio is now really unfashionable as everyone seems hell bent on trying to emulate Barca. That's great for people who just want to see silly goal tallies but I prefer a bit of balance and can really enjoy a good defensive display as a spectacle in itself. I do take your point about defensive midfielders though; I'm a big fan of Xabi-Alonso and think Busquets is one of the most undervalued players out there right now.
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Old 12.11.2012, 12:45 PM   #2249
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yeah i said post-catenaccio because nobody plays it anymore but what remains since is a strong emphasis on defense that's probably never gonna leave the game. just 6 years ago in the world cup people were complaining of too much defense ruling the game.

and yes, everyone wants to play like barcelona, but barcelona at its best plays with puyol and dani alves, and then busquets in the midfield. let's also not forget that chelsea won the CL by parking the bus?
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Old 12.12.2012, 01:32 AM   #2250
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Bloody hell! Arsenal! Whats going on?
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Old 12.12.2012, 03:46 AM   #2251
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Shocking, I know. I never took the Wenger out brigade too seriously but it does look like something's got to give there. Whether that should mean Arsene leaving I'm still not sure but there's clearly something wrong at the club.

 
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Old 12.12.2012, 04:05 AM   #2252
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for all Wenger's plus points you have to question his signings over the years
i cant think of any big name being signed thats really been succesful. He's only been able to sell big players!
I really like Vermalen, and i think Pedolski was a good signing, but other than that i'm struggling (Oxlade-Chamberlain may turn out good, but its a bit too soon to tell).

My manager at work was saying that Arsenal's wage policy causes problems. Theres some kind of limit as to the difference between players wages. Whatever the figure is the idea is that everyone is paid a similiar wage and so there is no friction within the squad. The outcome is that the good players are paid a lower wage than they can get elsewhere (and so leave), while the dregs of the squad are getting paid alot more than they could expect elsewhere (and so dont have any monetary motivation to improve)
i've no idea if it's true though...
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Old 12.12.2012, 04:15 AM   #2253
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An era of great forwards but no single great defender I can think of.

i think in recent times there's been some great defenders, but i agree the great ones are either retired or well past their best
Cannavaro, Lucio, Puyol, Ashley Cole, Terry, and i'd even say Ferdinand

funny how many great defenders seem to be cunts!
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Old 12.12.2012, 05:48 AM   #2254
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for all Wenger's plus points you have to question his signings over the years
i cant think of any big name being signed thats really been succesful. He's only been able to sell big players!
I really like Vermalen, and i think Pedolski was a good signing, but other than that i'm struggling (Oxlade-Chamberlain may turn out good, but its a bit too soon to tell).

My manager at work was saying that Arsenal's wage policy causes problems. Theres some kind of limit as to the difference between players wages. Whatever the figure is the idea is that everyone is paid a similiar wage and so there is no friction within the squad. The outcome is that the good players are paid a lower wage than they can get elsewhere (and so leave), while the dregs of the squad are getting paid alot more than they could expect elsewhere (and so dont have any monetary motivation to improve)
i've no idea if it's true though...

Yeah, while you have to admire Wenger's refusal to pay silly wages, he's naive if he thinks Arsenal can stay competitive that way. But more than just quality of players, there seems to be a kind of complacency in the club that makes me think a change of manager is becoming all the more inevitable. But who could they get to replace him? They probably couldn't afford Guardiola (even though in many ways they're the ideal club for him) or Mourinho and everyone else in the frame would be a massive risk. I've heard talk of them maybe going for Redknapp but I can't see that happening.
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Old 12.12.2012, 06:23 AM   #2255
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i think in recent times there's been some great defenders, but i agree the great ones are either retired or well past their best
Cannavaro, Lucio, Puyol, Ashley Cole, Terry, and i'd even say Ferdinand

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i hear Steve Kean is looking for work

And there's always Avram Grant.
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Old 12.12.2012, 01:07 PM   #2258
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you ingleses don't like kompany? i know man city hasn't been at its best, but still... if he hadn't gotten injured, would the [last] match have ended as it did? (we'll never know, this is obviously a rhetorical question).

also, a couple more germans (since i mentioned lahm):

hummels is fantastic!

and david alaba who is merely 20 is amazing and pairs greatly with ribery on bayern's left. i said "german" cuz he's a bundesliga player but he's actually austrian. he's recently back from having a broken foot-- check him out.

defenders are chronically underrated
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It was the capitol cup. If it had been the FA cup or the champions league then sure the bile would be acceptable. No one was screaming and crying when Man Utd got kicked and so on.


With regards to the Wenger pay cap. When the new fair play rules kick in a lot of other clubs will have to stop paying silly money too. He's just ahead of the game on that one. AND haven't they just signed some mega multi million deal for whatever, meaning more money for the January transfer window?

Wenger knows what he's doing and he's got some good talent seemingly coming through. Should he be fired? Who would replace him is the better question.
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you ingleses don't like kompany? i know man city hasn't been at its best, but still... if he hadn't gotten injured, would the [last] match have ended as it did? (we'll never know, this is obviously a rhetorical question).

also, a couple more germans (since i mentioned lahm):

hummels is fantastic!

and david alaba who is merely 20 is amazing and pairs greatly with ribery on bayern's left. i said "german" cuz he's a bundesliga player but he's actually austrian. he's recently back from having a broken foot-- check him out.

defenders are chronically underrated

Kompany was one of my favourite players last season and to be fair to him, Man City's problems in defence this season seems more down to Mancini's tampering than with the players themselves. And I couldn't agree more about defenders being underrated. It just seems like we're in the middle of an era where they're even more undervalued than usual.

And let's hope the FA ban Fellaini for that headbutt in time for him to be out against West Ham next week.
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