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Old 11.04.2012, 12:42 PM   #2061
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Old 11.04.2012, 12:52 PM   #2062
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Old 11.04.2012, 02:09 PM   #2063
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From a West Ham perspective, I'm just glad Liverpool aren't doing badly enough for them to panic in January and recall Carroll. But Suarez is papering over so many problems there it's unreal.
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Old 11.04.2012, 02:20 PM   #2064
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From a West Ham perspective, I'm just glad Liverpool aren't doing badly enough for them to panic in January and recall Carroll. But Suarez is papering over so many problems there it's unreal.

suarez is a one-man team. he's fucking amazing but yeah he can't do it all. if something happens to him, liverpool is toast.

OR maybe they won't be toast because they'll have to change their system-- which currently is (it seems to me) "attempt to control the midfield and hope suarez scores all by himself." although i have hope for that other dude there, hm, w/ the ugly haircut... lemme look up his name... was it sterling? he looked promising.
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Old 11.04.2012, 06:55 PM   #2065
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It's true. He's carrying the team this season. Rodgers is meant to be quite tactically innovative but it'll take time for him to get the players that fit his ideas, and if they aren't winning he'll struggle to attract them anyway. Man U's Hernandez would be a good
buy, and he's struggling to really solidify a place with Fergie, and probably wouldn't cost a fortune. But either way I do believe Rodgers is the right man for the job and that he'll be given time.

Oh, and some more ammo for the Suarez haters: he's a hair puller, too.

 
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Old 11.06.2012, 04:58 AM   #2066
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liverpool have long been a one man team. Gerrard has carried them for years but as he gets near the end of his career he seems to be less (directly)dangerous.
i think Suarez can be a massive player for them in the coming years, but they cant rely on him as a striker, he misses too many chances. And thats why Liverpool are mid table these days, they dont finish their chances.


If only they had a traditional "big man" striker up front who was a huge problem for most defences. someone who can finish, but who is really good in the air too...
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Old 11.06.2012, 04:58 AM   #2067
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Old 11.06.2012, 10:52 AM   #2068
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liverpool have long been a one man team. Gerrard has carried them for years but as he gets near the end of his career he seems to be less (directly)dangerous.

gerrard is great but you're right he's showing his age

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i think Suarez can be a massive player for them in the coming years, but they cant rely on him as a striker, he misses too many chances. And thats why Liverpool are mid table these days, they dont finish their chances.


i don't know about this, suarez seems to be doing great with what he has, problem is, you can't have him alone among 6 defenders and expect he can score all the time.

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If only they had a traditional "big man" striker up front who was a huge problem for most defences. someone who can finish, but who is really good in the air too...

i think suarez more than makes up for his size with ability. other great strikers do that too, from villa to klose to tht very tiny man messi. small players with great technical ability are the stars today.

the problem it seems to me is that suarez is pretty much abandoned at the front, for whatever "tactical" reasons i don't know-- but if he had someone to play with (e.g. a "big man" striker) then his finishing could easily improve.

seems to me one reason he did so well at the world cup (hand & all) was he had forlán on his side. in liverpool? it's his right foot and his left foot.
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Old 11.06.2012, 01:48 PM   #2069
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Saw a brilliant chart today showing if Suarez wasn't with Liverpool they'd only have 2 points (judging by goals or goals he set up). You can't have one player holding the whole team up.
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but if he had someone to play with (e.g. a "big man" striker) then his finishing could easily improve.

seems to me one reason he did so well at the world cup (hand & all) was he had forlán on his side. in liverpool? it's his right foot and his left foot.

Liverpool had Andy Carrol, but let him go on loan to west ham in August
if they had kept him (and actually played him!) they might well be in a different place right now
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Liverpool had Andy Carrol, but let him go on loan to west ham in August
if they had kept him (and actually played him!) they might well be in a different place right now

Wait til Johnson gets back. He's developed ENORMOUSLY as a defender in the last year or so, and he' still got that attacking power. I think he'll make a huge difference once he's back in the team. Its hard to believe he's 28 years old though.
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Old 11.06.2012, 05:50 PM   #2072
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Carroll would've definitely contributed something but Rodgers doesn't like the kind of play he provides. I'm not just saying this but if ever a player was custom built for Big Sam, it's him. About as perfect a manager-striker pairing as I can imagine.

Carroll's exactly where he needs to be

 
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Old 11.07.2012, 10:33 AM   #2073
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Man City's exit from the CL seems almost inevitable now as does Mancini leaving at the end of the season. He's quickly becoming a joke and I wouldn't even be surprised if he's starting to lose the dressing room, assuming he hasn't already lost it.

 
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Old 11.07.2012, 10:43 AM   #2074
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hey mr. hammer, could you please explain what you mean by the carroll/alardyce thing? how do you mean they are made for each other and what not. i imagine that carroll's style of play fits alardyce's tactical schemes, but my question is-- what style is that? which schemes are those?? (since you follow them, and i've never seen them much, i've figure you could explain that team for us). or is it more of a personality thing?

speaking of which, i do not understand what is it that rodgers is trying to create in liverpool. okay? because all he does is say things like always fight. okay? and then he says some other simple shit. okay? and he makes that stupid face. okay? but what does it all mean in actual football terms? EH? okay--- (he speaks like that too)
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Rodgers is a bit of a Tiki Taka fanboy and was quite effective with it when he managed Swansea but he's struggling to introduce it to a Liverpool side still clogged up with aging icons like Gerrard and Carragher and too many others who simply don't fit that style. The most obvious of those would be Carroll, who for many (perhaps a bit unfairly) represents a more direct/long ball style that's widely (and again perhaps a bit unfairly) associated with Allardyce's teams. These are gross generalisations but if Rodgers is all about "pass and move" then Allardyce is all about getting his defenders and midfield to "hoof it up to the big man up front". But I stress those are massive generalisations. The biggest irony is that Suarez's goal last weekend was textbook long ball.

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Rodgers is a bit of a Tiki Taka fanboy and was quite effective with it when he managed Swansea but he's struggling to introduce it to a Liverpool side still clogged up with aging icons like Gerrard and Carragher and too many others who simply doesn't fit that style. The most obvious of those would be Carroll, who for many (perhaps a bit unfairly) represents a more direct/long ball style that's widely (and again perhaps a bit unfairly) associated with Allardyce's teams. These are gross generalisations but if Rodgers is all about "pass and move" then Allardyce is all about getting his defenders and midfield to "hoof it up to the big man up front". But I stress those are massive generalisations.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. massive generalizations maybe, but tremendously helpful regardless-- in fact they explain it all. completely. thanks!!

ps- i'll be looking at liverpool differently from now on.
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The hilarious thing is that Gerrad was bitching about how Everton are supposedly a long ball team and and they play like Stoke.

Whilst that's hardly true, I will say that what has Rodgers' tika-taka style football given them? 12th place and 2 wins. All very well trying to play nice looking football but it means sod all.
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The hilarious thing is that Gerrad was bitching about how Everton are supposedly a long ball team and and they play like Stoke.

Whilst that's hardly true, I will say that what has Rodgers' tika-taka style football given them? 12th place and 2 wins. All very well trying to play nice looking football but it means sod all.

i think it's to be expected that transitions will take some time & effort. so what was liverpool's system & standing on the table before this?
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i think it's to be expected that transitions will take some time & effort. so what was liverpool's system & standing on the table before this?

9th I think. CORRECTION 8th.

As for Dalglish's system he was old school ie/stubborn. I think he usually kept with 4-4-2 and was generally (in my totally un-biased opinion ) a mess. He had some great players at his disposal, Bellamy and Carroll up front were a great partnership (contributing to the 2-1 win over Everton at the FA Cup semis). I don't remember him using Suarez a hell of a lot but I could be wrong.

Did they play the dreaded long ball? You can't have Carroll and not be tempted to do it a fair bit.

Eitherway he had a good team and just didn't want to change his style of football. Being a stubborn mule never helps anybody. See Villas Boas at Chelsea for a perfect example of that.

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i think it's to be expected that transitions will take some time & effort. so what was liverpool's system & standing on the table before this?


And not rely on 1 player to score the goals.
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