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Old 07.30.2007, 09:33 AM   #21
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Ani DiFranco is not folk music to these ears.
I draw a fairly strong line between "folk" music and "singer/songwriter" music, personally.
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Old 07.30.2007, 09:44 AM   #22
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I draw a fairly strong line between "folk" music and "singer/songwriter" music, personally.

It's true. anything played unaccompanied on an acoustic guitar is now considered 'folk'. It's moved from becoming a social concept to a purely stylistic one.
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Old 07.30.2007, 09:57 AM   #23
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Fair enough. I wouldn't call it folk music either, under those terms.

Actually I wouldn't call it folk music at all, I only mention it because it because it's influenced by folk music more than any other singer/songwriter stuff. Her style of playing and touring is very folky. She lives on the road basically, and seems to spend a lot of time hanging out with folk musicians and learning new techniques to expand on her music. I think there is definately a difference between her and most singer/songwriters, and it's based in her folk influence, but for sure she's not a folk singer.
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Old 07.30.2007, 10:26 AM   #24
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Well, like I said when I posted some Fairport Convention stuff, most purists would hate it. For me, the really interesting stuff came out of an attempt to open up what folk could become. Ani DiFranco isn't folk in the sense that someone like Ewan McCall was, but that just shows how things move-on/transform themselves.

Tunng are a British band doing some really interesting stuff that could hardly be described as 'traditional':

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Old 07.30.2007, 10:48 AM   #25
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Needs to be heard:

John Martyn, I'd Rather Be the Devil.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VYCG5wZ9op8

Folk for the 25th Century.

Interesting guitar technique I love early John Martyn.
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Old 07.30.2007, 10:57 AM   #26
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i love folk. either american primitive or late 60's british.
is john fahey allowed into this discussion?
he is one of my heroes...
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:03 AM   #27
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A great 10 minute mini-doc looking at Britain's current 'New Folk' scene:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wurzo1w19JQ
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:04 AM   #28
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I love Pentangle.
Some of their stuff is definitely more folk-rock, some has a bit of jazz influence as well. "Cruel Sister" and "Solomon's Seal" are two favorites for me with them. Love many a Jansch and Renbourn solo LP as well.

I wasn't implying that folk had to be purist/trad to be considered "folk" earlier; I just think some artists are far more singer/songwriter than folk and just because something is acoustic guitar/voice-based doesn't mean it's "folk." Now, I can't stand Ani Di Franco, but I love Nick Drake and I would place him in more of a singer-songwriter category than a folk one as well.

Some folk stuff I love, some very far-out and some closer to trad:

Stone Breath (some of the very best this country has offered up in the past decade)

Certain Current 93 LPs, "Thunder Perfect Mind" and "Earth Covers Earth" in particular

Comus - First Utterance

Stone Angel - S/T

Midwinter - S/T

Robbie Basho - The Grail and the Lotus

Jan Dukes DeGrey - Rats and Mice In The Loft (stretching a bit, but awesome)

The 2nd and 3rd LPs by Judy Collins are really really great; filled with agony and death. Don't let what happened to her later on get in the way of these two great albums!

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I enjoy so much of this stuff it's hard to come up with a short list!
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:06 AM   #30
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Certain Current 93 LPs, "Thunder Perfect Mind" and "Earth Covers Earth" in particular


Really interested in that strand of folk. Haven't heard any, but it does seem fascinating.

Is this representative of that stuff? Because if it is, it's wonderful!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F9q1FomLS...elated&search=
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A great resource:

http://www.theunbrokencircle.co.uk/
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:09 AM   #32
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The Current 93 style is heavily influenced by albums like "First Utterance" by Comus and "Golem" by Sand. The vocals will either make it or break it for you, but I love this stuff. Pretty dramatic though.
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:09 AM   #33
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:10 AM   #34
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why not?
it just seemed weird that nobody mentioned him yet.
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:11 AM   #35
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I'm gonna go ahead and yet again plug the works of Paul Metzger here. He has a couple of new LPs in the works, both of which are fucking fantastic.
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:21 AM   #36
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:37 AM   #37
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Espers - Meadow (great American "new folk" band that remind me a lot of Fairport):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfvsLFPjBBc
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Old 07.30.2007, 11:41 AM   #38
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If you haven't heard "Albatross" by Judy Collins it's a shame. This is the prettiest song ever.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nalgvOfKB8w

"Diamonds and rust" by joan baez

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r2iJ4MnnbFM

I don't listen to a lot of folk all the time, but there are certain songs by folk artists that stand out as absolutely incredible to me, and these two are indisposable.

They're also really famous, and you've probably heard them, maybe are bored of them, but just in case.

Here's Buffy Sainte-Marie playing a mouth bow. I can't believe how beautiful she was! Considering her voice I'd have thought she'd look like a goat

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=krx2Mo...elated&search=

Codeine's on this myspace page. It is fantastic. (And of course Bury my heart at wounded knee, which I think is laying it on a bit thick)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...dID=623 82963

"My country 'tis of thy people you're dying"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tl08n8_b3Sw


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Old 07.30.2007, 11:43 AM   #39
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Green Carnation really pick up on the more pagan/goth elements of folk. Includes some ex-members of Black Metal Folkists In the Woods:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ka0q8jeaw4g

Unfortunately they're fairly awful.
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