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Old 06.06.2007, 03:30 PM   #81
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That's also true, but I can't stand nostalgia or nostalgic types. It's ok for a day or occasionally, but this type of documentaries make you feel like telling these people to get the fuck over it. And what's worse is some of the younger folks dressing and behaving like they were born in 1967 or something like that. That's very sad to to see in a young person.

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Old 06.06.2007, 03:41 PM   #82
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it is sad man...that sort of nostalgia.

It's not nostalgia that causes Neil Young to emphatically state (in the '90s) that "there's nobody even in the same building as that guy." Neil is coming from a position of great knowledge of rock 'n' roll music and of the instrument itself.

So, carry on, nitwits, your irreverence and ignorance are amusing.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:42 PM   #83
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plus, FACT: i have a cd of hendrix playing live in greenwich village in '66 and dude was playing straight up r&b/blues with hardly any feedback or anything; it's also interesting to know that this is when the velvet underground were playing out in new york. so i do think hendrix was influenced by the velvets.

a gutarist playing blues is gonna play blues. jimi played with all sorts of cats, as I have already stated. Jimi was playing way out shit in the early 60's, getting kicked out of Little Richard's band for that reason.
as to the velvets influence on jimi, I can definitely see that. music is not a solitary pursuit.
he was never claimed to have sprung from nowhere. he studied with many old country blues guys, and learned his trade and stood on the shoulders of giants. However, each and everyone of Jimi's influences has gone on record to state that the dude could outplay them and that it was a tragedy to see him cut short. if he had lived we would not be talking this nonsense.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:42 PM   #84
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The rules for Rock music are now so firmly cast that it's now almost impossible for it to move on. The only way to progress is through cross-genre collaboration between musicians, a breaking down of the audience/performer split, a turning away from personality cults, etc. All the things that've been going on outside of Rock music (as it tends to be thought of) for years now.

A new path of rockism needs to be forged that places bands like Amon Duul I, Radiohead, Sonic Youth (in their SYR mode) and NNCK at the very core rather than as some kind of alternative route. Only then can the jams well and truly be kicked out.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:48 PM   #85
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It's not nostalgia that causes Neil Young to emphatically state (in the '90s) that "there's nobody even in the same building as that guy." Neil is coming from a position of great knowledge of rock 'n' roll music and of the instrument itself.

So, carry on, nitwits, your irreverence and ignorance are amusing.

Fucking hell, you're still stuck on Lester Bangs notions of music journalism. And I like Lester Bangs' writing a lot, but still you can see for yourself that he had limitations in his thinking.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:51 PM   #86
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Only then can the jams well and truly be kicked out.

And the jams should be "kicked out" for what reason? To make the world safe for a no talent bum like yourself to tout yourself as a guitarist?

I do get what you're tryng to relate, but I also can read between the lines to see the frustration that is the true motivation for your opinion.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:52 PM   #87
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Fucking hell, you're still stuck on Lester Bangs notions of music journalism. And I like Lester Bangs' writing a lot, but still you can see for yourself that he had limitations in his thinking.

Bangs is a very colorful writer and lots of fun to read, but the accolades more-or-less stop there.

It's funny that you guys think you know better than Neil Young, that's all.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:55 PM   #88
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And the jams should be "kicked out" for what reason? To make the world safe for a no talent bum like yourself to tout yourself as a guitarist?

Er. No. The jams should be "kicked out" to provide a platform for the 21st Century to have a music that properly reflects it, rather than some kind of cosy relic that speaks for an entirely diffetrent age.
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Old 06.06.2007, 03:56 PM   #89
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That's right, he was more interesting to read than your posts. And more famous for his argumentative nature too. Demonrail is a nice dude who would think twice about prostituting himself for music. How can you tell that he is a bad guitarist when you haven't even heard him playing, Madame Bitterfly?

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Old 06.06.2007, 03:59 PM   #90
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I do get what you're tryng to relate, but I also can read between the lines to see the frustration that is the true motivation for your opinion.

The funny thing is, is that I have absolutely no musical ambition at all. The idea of touring myself as anything, let alone a guitarist (heaven forbid) leaves me cold, frankly.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:01 PM   #91
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in my opinion, its all relative man. just depends on whos listening.


Of course it's all relative, don't cop out.

By the same token though, when you take all the relevant pieces of information and process them, and if a question is asked to demand to know who is the singular greatest guitar player, then the answer must come back invariably as, "Hendrix."

The thread, which, (as I pointed out earlier, was rather obviously instituted just to cause friction) is about whether we think Jimi is the greatest guitarist or not.

I'm answering that yes, Jimi Hendrix is the best guitarist ever.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:04 PM   #92
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Hey, me and atari agree on Hendrix. Whouda thunk it? Can't you feel the love?
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:05 PM   #93
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and that alone makes me more interested in hearing what you actually do play, than some dude that claims he may be the next hendrix.

keep on man.

You guys should get a room.

Look, I'm not interested either in someone who tries (emphasis on
"tries") to imitate Hendrix, although Stevie Ray Vaughan did a damn swell job of it, but that's been awhile ago.

It's also amusing to me how people with opinions made of gossamer always try to spin shit around to make themselves sound less pathetic.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:06 PM   #94
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Of course the thread would cause friction, potatohead. I don't think he is and you think he is. The only difference between the two of us is that I haven't lost interest in music that was made after 1989, and I still demand it in good shape to this day, wherever it comes from and at whichever age it's produced. The same never comes across from your increasingly bitter posts. Go and write for the local paper or something, Alan Partridge wannabe.

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Old 06.06.2007, 04:07 PM   #95
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Let's face it, the thread may as well be asking whether red is the best colour ever. It's totally subjective.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:08 PM   #96
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Hey, me and atari agree on Hendrix. Whouda thunk it? Can't you feel the love?

It's not just you and me, although I appreciate the sentiment.

Most guitarists, hey, most musicians in general, with any talent will also invariably agree. It's certainly not any kind of esoteric knowledge.

People on this board are just obssessed with being "hipster" contrarians, that's all.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:10 PM   #97
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[quote=atari 2600]It's not just you and me, although I appreciate the sentiment.

Most guitarists with any talent will also invariably agree.[/quote]

Guitarists you decided have talent, of course.
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Old 06.06.2007, 04:11 PM   #98
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Of course the thread would cause friction, potatohead. I don't think he is and you think he is. The only difference between the two of us is that I haven't lost interest in music that was made after 1989, and I still demand it in good shape to this day, wherever it comes from and at whichever age it's produced by. The same never comes across from your increasingly bitter posts. Go and write for the local paper or something, Alan Partridge wannabe.

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Hey dickless, I listened to a Battles live recording yesterday that was only recorded a little over a week ago.
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Hey dickless, I listened to a Battles live recording yesterday that was only recorded a little over a week ago.

Did you buy it?
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whoa dude, atari's realllly up to date. a little over a week ago. wow.

now...what qualifies as a good guitarist? i need to know wether i can play or not, and would much appreciate you telling me the rules to being talented?

I would bet a thousand dollars that you suck without ever hearing you play; just my gut instinct, you understand.
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