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Old 12.16.2016, 05:52 AM   #21
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I understood that the "electors" - and I mean the actual people who convene on Dec 19 to place their vote - are appointed by the 2 parties' local leaderships, and those people may or may not be elected by the general voters. like nancy pelosi's daughter.

I wasn't referring to how the electors are chosen as individuals, but rather to how a slate of electors for each state supporting a particular candidate are chosen. How the states designate electors is a matter left to the states.
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Old 12.17.2016, 11:59 PM   #23
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As reported yesterday at blackistednews.com
Facebook is adding a new feature wherein a group that the Washington Post calls an ‘independent third party fact checker’ will decide whether stories are real or fake, and flag ones the group decides are fake. WaPo leaves out of its report that the ‘independent fact checker’, the Poynter International Fact-Checking Network, receives funding from a US government-funded group, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which award-winning, independent journalist Robert Parry and author William Blum document was created to perform tasks previously performed by the CIA. NED was created when “[t]he Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers-that-be much embarrassment”, notes Blum. Parry notes that CIA director William Casey helped establish NED as a “U.S. government-funded organization” to “support groups inside foreign countries that would engage in propaganda [ie fake news] and political action that the CIA had historically organized and paid for covertly”, including “regime change”

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Old 12.19.2016, 06:07 PM   #24
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electoral vote
5:28 p.m.
- Donald Trump, 304 | Hillary Clinton, 166 | Other, 6
(from wpix.com)


I like the Other category: "THOSE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED".
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Old 12.20.2016, 01:25 AM   #25
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Some coup.
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Old 12.20.2016, 01:49 AM   #26
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Tragic fact is: a large number of people legitimately want Trump in office.
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Old 12.20.2016, 08:58 AM   #27
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Some coup.


Compared to what might have happened, I'll gladly consider the egg on my face to be a fashion statement.
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Old 12.20.2016, 09:32 AM   #28
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hillary lost more electors than trump lololol

(not sure if that was a bitter laugh or... yeah it was bitter. but it was a laugh.)
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hillary lost more electors than trump lololol

(not sure if that was a bitter laugh or... yeah it was bitter. but it was a laugh.)

I actually chuckled too when hearing about it on the news this morning.
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Old 12.20.2016, 11:37 AM   #30
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I actually chuckled too when hearing about it on the news this morning.
this only confirms what i've known for years-- that one if the big reasons the left specializes in defeat is their unnatural ability to shirk focus and abandon discipline whenever the situation requires they don't
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Old 12.20.2016, 12:21 PM   #31
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hillary lost more electors than trump lololol

(not sure if that was a bitter laugh or... yeah it was bitter. but it was a laugh.)

I can't say I laughed. I actually had that familiar "midnight on Nov. 8" feeling in my gut and chest, mixed with the acid reflux that has become my sidekick since the initial dumbfounded despair wore off. It was THE ABSOLUTE AND COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HALF THE NATION WAS PRAYING FOR. I never bothered putting faith in a faithless elector coup, because... y'know... it was never going to happen, and I understood that.

But I do think that Trump's appointments and some revelations about his campaign that have been made more public over the past 6 weeks, should have shocked and frankly terrified everyone in the U.S. government. I didn't expect the electorate to swap votes for Hillary, but I did expect at least a FEW electors to submit votes for John Kasich or someone. I fully expected him to lose a handful of votes to — for lack of a better word — common fucking sense.

I expected some percentage of electors, however small, to have a "Oh shit" moment, and to goddamn well DO THEIR FUCKING JOB, which is to take steps to prevent an unfit or compromised president-elect from actually taking office.

The fact that Dec. 19 came and went and Hillary took more damage (purely, completely symbolic damage, meaningless but cruel as fuck) is something I can't even wrap my head around.

ALSO... Michigan was pushed aside and the recount halted pending Supreme Court appeal, despite evidence that some 77,300 (seventy... seven... thousand..) votes were "misplaced" and not counted within Wayne County, specifically in and around Detroit.

Sure, it wouldn't have changed the election results even if every one of those ballots was for Hillary, as Trump was ahead by far more than MI's 13 elecoral votes. But can anyone look at that situation and deny that something deeply fucked up took place in MI? Why the hell would Trump's legal team fight so hard to avoid investigating that shit? That's a RECORD number of lost ballots for that state, and somehow it's not enough of a red flag to warrant a closer look.

There's no reasonable explanation for this. There's no way to argue that not investigating Michigan's deeply flawed system is somehow better for anyone. All things HRC aside, someone explain to me how blocking a recount when the evidence supporting the need for one is at an ALL TIME HIGH makes one single shred of sense!

I don't even mourn Hillary anymore. At this point, it's about the highest levels of government being complicit in a series of mounting political travesties. It's like the government and the electors and the press are all saying, "yep, this is crazy fucked up, and we're not even going to bother pretending that it's not. We don't care and we don't care if you know that we don't care."

Fucking Obama better free Chelsea Manning before he retreats to his mancave and a lucrative lecture circuit.
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this only confirms what i've known for years-- that one if the big reasons the left specializes in defeat is their unnatural ability to shirk focus and abandon discipline whenever the situation requires they don't

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The fact that Dec. 19 came and went and Hillary took more damage (purely, completely symbolic damage, meaningless but cruel as fuck) is something I can't even wrap my head around.



Yep. Agreed.

I am certainly not saying mine was a chuckle of joy either. Much like your laughing, mine was simple a chuckle of amusement at the whole thing. What an interesting ride it's been. We'll see where it all goes I suppose.
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Old 12.20.2016, 04:51 PM   #33
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The final count:

304 Trump
228 Clinton
3 Powell
1 Kasich/ Paul
1 FAITH SPOTTED EAGLE
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Old 12.20.2016, 07:23 PM   #34
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Yep. Agreed.

I am certainly not saying mine was a chuckle of joy either. Much like your laughing, mine was simple a chuckle of amusement at the whole thing. What an interesting ride it's been. We'll see where it all goes I suppose.

It's an interesting situation, really. Never in my life have I been so fully and completely morally and ethically opposed to an American government. Not even during the W. administration did I feel this kind of abject terror, or complete lack of confidence in my own country. Don't get me wrong, I was extremely outspoken in my opposition to Iraq and I fucking campaigned for Kerry, but this, what's happening now, it's a 100% level-up in disenchantment and disenfranchisement. I have never felt more at odds with the country than I do now, ad I've never felt more like my very sanity was threatening to slip away. Will I become a conspiracy theorist? Will my fear and anger turn me into a paranoid nutjob? Is it paranoia, or are my concerns about high-level US government corruption well founded?

I'm panicking. I feel like we might be on the verge of truly losing our democracy in a real and immediate way. I am suspicious of the legislators in Michigan, of Trump's wafflehouse of a proposed cabinet, of the unbelievable lack of attention paid to these massive red flags and indications of possible election tampering and collusion. Is this what it feels like when your country is overtaken in earnest by a fascist regime?

I feel like we may start to experience things that we've only read about previously. How am I going to handle it? What will it bring out in me?
This is new, and terrifying.

But yeah DENNIS HOPPER NEEDS TO PLAY DONALD TRUMP, LIKE, NOW.
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Old 12.23.2016, 11:16 AM   #35
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Its interesting. Erdogan is the antithesis of everything that Ataturk stood for.I suspect that the coup is by those in favour of secularism but it could be much darker.
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This is an interesting interview - didn't know the proposed SecEd is the mother of Eric Prince, who founded Blackwater.

https://kpfa.org/episode/guns-and-bu...ember-21-2016/
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This is an interesting interview - didn't know the proposed SecEd is the mother of Eric Prince, who founded Blackwater.

https://kpfa.org/episode/guns-and-bu...ember-21-2016/
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