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Old 10.24.2007, 08:08 AM   #81
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I excerpted the link above, but the long and short of it is that it has been well-documented that many early sightings were actually early AWACS radar planes and stealth aircraft. I firmly maintain that this is still the case. AWACS planes and stealth surveillance jets fly all over the world. In fact, many, many recent reports are of the "V-shaped craft" variety.

 



I also theorized earlier in the thread that the Harrier jump-jet with its ability to hover could be possibly be mistaken for a UFO by those with an active imagination. And the fact still remains that nearly all "sightings" take place near military bases. And this is easy enough to explain, because it's only when these aircraft are doing their approaches for landing that they are at a low enough altitude to be seen by the naked eye.

AWACS Airborne Warning and Control System
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Old 10.24.2007, 09:47 AM   #82
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I also theorized earlier in the thread

theorize all you like.

theorize

theorize

that's theorize.
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Old 10.24.2007, 09:50 AM   #83
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And you just keep on theorizing about interplanetary spacecraft and intra-dimensional time-travellers, buckaroo.

Keep on tossing Einstein into the rubbish heap like the simpleton you are, dipshit.
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Old 10.24.2007, 09:58 AM   #84
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And you just keep on theorizing about interplanetary spacecraft and intra-dimensional time-travellers, buckaroo.

Keep on tossing Einstein into the rubbish heap like the simpleton you are, dipshit.

atariana, your theories are intellectually superior, we are so awed by your communication abilities. You are a good agent, and your controller should be proud.

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Old 10.24.2007, 10:11 AM   #85
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Oh there it is again. The accusation that I'm a governement "bot." This freak has a screw loose for sure.

Um, science is on my side, not yours. So if anyone is intentionally gunking-up communication, it's you.

Besides, if anything, certain elements within our government want people to believe in UFOs. It's even possible that some sightings are even staged by agents of the U.S. government. It only serves to divide people more about their belief systems which is beneficial to a divide and conquer agenda.

All I do is offer the rational viewpoint of an educated person. And any educated person knows that interplanetary spacecraft and intra-dimensional time-travellers are not possible in this universe. This universe has been elegantly elucidated upon by Einstein whose work you obviously disregard in your persistent insanity. And dude, Einstein's truths have been with us since the early twentieth century and are the foundation of our modern understanding in the sciences, so you're really fucking very, very lost.
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Old 10.25.2007, 05:51 AM   #86
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The concept of a light year is perhaps too much for the average Joe to handle. Even if a life form could exist in an extremely harsh (to us) environment and had an incredible lifespan it could take "forever" to get here. 186,000 miles per second comes out to about 5,850,000,000,000 miles per year. So if an alien were, say, 15,000 light years away...just do the math, it's not happening.
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The concept of a light year is perhaps too much for the average Joe to handle. Even if a life form could exist in an extremely harsh (to us) environment and had an incredible lifespan it could take "forever" to get here. 186,000 miles per second comes out to about 5,850,000,000,000 miles per year. So if an alien were, say, 15,000 light years away...just do the math, it's not happening.

 

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Old 10.25.2007, 08:43 AM   #89
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Old 10.25.2007, 10:09 AM   #90
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I could never believe in aliens. They seem like a cool idea, but that is it a cool idea.
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Old 10.25.2007, 10:55 AM   #91
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And some people have seen too many episodes of the bad tv show The X-Files or have read too many bad books by hack writers like Whitley Streiber at formative ages. Hopelessly adrift, their view of astrophysics is shaped by the shitty Contact movie based on Streiber's anal-probed farts.
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Old 10.25.2007, 11:01 AM   #92
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We thus have experimental evidence from the bending of light, that space-time is curved, and confirmation from the Casimir effect, that we can warp it in the negative direction. So it might seem possible, that as we advance in science and technology, we might be able to construct a wormhole, or warp space and time in some other way, so as to be able to travel into our past. If this were the case, it would raise a whole host of questions and problems. One of these is, if sometime in the future, we learn to travel in time, why hasn't someone come back from the future, to tell us how to do it.

Even if there were sound reasons for keeping us in ignorance, human nature being what it is, it is difficult to believe that someone wouldn't show off, and tell us poor benighted peasants, the secret of time travel. Of course, some people would claim that we have been visited from the future. They would say that UFO's come from the future, and that governments are engaged in a gigantic conspiracy to cover them up, and keep for themselves, the scientific knowledge that these visitors bring. All I can say is, that if governments were hiding something, they are doing a pretty poor job, of extracting useful information from the aliens. I'm pretty skeptical of conspiracy theories, believing the cock up theory is more likely. The reports of sightings of UFO's can't all be caused by extra terrestrials, because they are mutually contradictory. But once you admit that some are mistakes, or hallucinations, isn't it more probable that they all are, than that we are being visited by people from the future, or the other side of the galaxy? If they really want to colonize the Earth, or warn us of some danger, they are being pretty ineffective.

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:::snip:::Space is big. Very big. And there are trillions of worlds in this universe :::snip:::

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"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

Sorry to derail things from such an early post - it just made me giggle.

Aliens, sure they exist. Here? I don't think so.

People are experiencing something, people are seeing something...I don't know what it is - I'm just glad it ain't me, because most of those people don't seem too happy about what they've seen or experienced.
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I do enjoy the post. Showcases what goes up in our collective minds.
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The whole 'do-they-don't-they' argument has unfortunately been hijacked by people who seem to believe in the possibility of alien visitors as yet another means with which to stick it to 'da man'. Governments cover up a whole lot of things, as we know, but so long as people continue to "watch the skies" the REAL cover-ups will just continue to fester right under our noses. Which surely suits the Bushs/Browns/Putins/Jintaos/Sarkozys of this world just fine.
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The whole 'do-they-don't-they' argument has unfortunately been hijacked by people who seem to believe in the possibility of alien visitors as yet another means with which to stick it to 'da man'. Governments cover up a whole lot of things, as we know, but so long as people continue to "watch the skies" the REAL cover-ups will just continue to fester right under our noses. Which surely suits the Bushs/Browns/Putins/Jintaos/Sarkozys of this world just fine.

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And the quintessential Area 51 conspiracy—that the Pentagon keeps captured alien spacecraft there, which they fly around in restricted airspace? Turns out that one's pretty easy to debunk. The shape of OXCART was unprecedented, with its wide, disk-like fuselage designed to carry vast quantities of fuel. Commercial pilots cruising over Nevada at dusk would look up and see the bottom of OXCART whiz by at 2,000-plus mph. The aircraft's titanium body, moving as fast as a bullet, would reflect the sun's rays in a way that could make anyone think, UFO.

In all, 2,850 OXCART test flights were flown out of Area 51 while Slater was in charge. "That's a lot of UFO sightings!" Slater adds. Commercial pilots would report them to the FAA, and "when they'd land in California, they'd be met by FBI agents who'd make them sign nondisclosure forms." But not everyone kept quiet, hence the birth of Area 51's UFO lore. The sightings incited uproar in Nevada and the surrounding areas and forced the Air Force to open Project BLUE BOOK to log each claim.

Since only a few Air Force officials were cleared for OXCART (even though it was a joint CIA/USAF project), many UFO sightings raised internal military alarms. Some generals believed the Russians might be sending stealth craft over American skies to incite paranoia and create widespread panic of alien invasion. Today, BLUE BOOK findings are housed in 37 cubic feet of case files at the National Archives—74,000 pages of reports. A keyword search brings up no mention of the top-secret OXCART or Area 51.
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RIP Jim Marrs (December 5, 1943 – August 2, 2017)

We lost one of the best researchers, writers and speakers. His books provide a large trove of documented information that certainly challenges the cnn-fox versions of the world.

He'd been having a tough time, there was an interview recently on coasttocoast where Marrs described waking up blind in one eye, a piece of plaque instead of causing a stroke drifted and blocked the artery into the eye stopping the blood flow and the eye died.

Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy. Basic Books. 1993.

Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us.

Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History That Connects the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids. William Morrow

The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America. Harper Collins. 2008.
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