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Old 10.21.2016, 07:09 PM   #1361
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I'm surprised Trump hasn't gotten hold of this story about the half dozen teens murdered this month around Brentwood NY, on Long Island, related to MS-13 (code for central america immigrants) gang violence. I'm surprised its not a bigger story in terms of teen culture, or maybe it is.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2838750

http://abc7ny.com/news/remains-of-a-...twood/1565030/

http://patch.com/new-york/westislip/...entwood-police
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Old 10.21.2016, 10:43 PM   #1362
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actually that PRECISELY and EXACTLY what her job is, its an election, DUH.

frankly if you support her its your job too if you believe i should vote for her and so far the combination of personal insults and attacks against me, my level of concern or intellect certainly isn't going to convince me one fucking bit.

politics fail on your part

Ah - no. It is not the job of a presidential candidate to *dazzle* or to *wow* people into voting booths. Too many of them try to operate like that, and that's how we get promises that are impossible to keep and voters who vote for big personalities instead of issues.

You are not a passive part of the process. You should be proudly voting either in favori of what you care about, or against what you know is dangerous to the world.

Yeah it's an election. It's not a blockbuster movie. You should consider it your duty to participate and you should take it seriously. If we only voted for flashy rock star candidates, we'd vote for Trump.

A DUH. Fail! Politics fail! (If that wasn't embarrassing for you then... that's too bad)

You mad about the hip-hop thread? Don't be. But don't be a dick about it. You're acting like American citizenship is like sitting in a strip club. Lap dance w/ touching or no vote! Way to joyfully shirk your responsibility.
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Old 10.21.2016, 10:49 PM   #1363
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And I'm not trying to get you to "support" Hillary. I'm trying to get you to do your part against Trump.

If you're not willing, you might as well be a Trump supporter.

Your level of apathy about the direction of the nation must be on fucking HGH if you'd rather do nothing than fill in a box to fight Trump. That's goddamn sickening. What battle are you winning there exactly?

(Also I'd like to remind you again that you said "duh!" And "politics fail!" Just in case it didn't stick the first time. Yeah. You said those things. Way to be.)
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Old 10.21.2016, 11:28 PM   #1364
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And I'm not trying to get you to "support" Hillary. I'm trying to get you to do your part against Trump.
you talking in circles. if you want me to vote Hillary you need to convince of Hillary's merits and positions, period. this is how it works. its not new.

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If you're not willing, you might as well be a Trump supporter.

nope and than is being very disingenuous and politically lazy of you to say.

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Your level of apathy about the direction of the nation must be on fucking HGH if you'd rather do nothing than fill in a box to fight Trump.

nope quite the opposite i love my country so much that i refuse to give a mandate to a power i don't believe in.

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hat's goddamn sickening.

what sickens me is you have the nerve to blame me. ha!
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What battle are you winning there exactly?

(Also I'd like to remind you again that you said "duh!" And "politics fail!" Just in case it didn't stick the first time. Yeah. You said those things. Way to be.)
i am winning the battle for my own personal conscience and peace of mind. remember i have the right to make my own choices, indeed is probably the ONLY right i or anyone actually have
i did and i will reiterate again if you can't convince the merits of your candidate that is a politics fail. duh.
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Old 10.21.2016, 11:34 PM   #1365
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Ah - no. It is not the job of a presidential candidate to *dazzle* or to *wow* people into voting booths. Too many of them try to operate like that, and that's how we get promises that are impossible to keep and voters who vote for big personalities instead of issues.

again, yes its precisely their job, they want my vote don't they? you seem to want it yet you havent spent even ONE SENTENCE extolling the policy reasons i should support Hillary. not even once..


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You are not a passive part of the process. You should be proudly voting either in favori of what you care about, or against what you know is dangerous to the world.
no i am not passive at all, indeed by using MY voice i am active and expressing my own power.

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Yeah it's an election. It's not a blockbuster movie. You should consider it your duty to participate and you should take it seriously. If we only voted for flashy rock star candidates, we'd vote for Trump.

my duty is to do what i believe and what i believe is right. notice i am not in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM trying to convince you or anyone else not to vote, simply sharing why i am not voting.

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A DUH. Fail! Politics fail! (If that wasn't embarrassing for you then... that's too bad)

actually i am embarrassed for you because you still don't seem to be getting any of this.

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You mad about the hip-hop thread? Don't be. But don't be a dick about it. You're acting like American citizenship is like sitting in a strip club. Lap dance w/ touching or no vote! Way to joyfully shirk your responsibility.
not at all what in the world would that have to do with this discussion? indeed i wasn't even mad there either! sometimes my brother you get your signals crossed
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again, yes its precisely their job, they want my vote don't they? you seem to want it yet you havent spent even ONE SENTENCE extolling the policy reasons i should support Hillary. not even once..



no i am not passive at all, indeed by using MY voice i am active and expressing my own power.



my duty is to do what i believe and what i believe is right. notice i am not in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM trying to convince you or anyone else not to vote, simply sharing why i am not voting.



actually i am embarrassed for you because you still don't seem to be getting any of this.


not at all what in the world would that have to do with this discussion? indeed i wasn't even mad there either! sometimes my brother you get your signals crossed

Again, not trying to get you to support Hillary.

Repeat: not trying to get you to support Hillary.

This has nothing to do with Hillary.

I want you to fight Trump.

By not voting against (key word: against) the person you know is the worst possible option, you're essentially supporting that person.

Beyond me how you can be so vocally opposed to Trump but be totally chill with doing nothing to actually oppose him.

But yeah it's your vote, your choice, your voice. You can do what you like. I'm under no obligation to respect it or pretend it doesn't bother me. It's people like you, who know Trump is terrible but can't bring themselves to vote for someone who is more qualified and objectively less terrible, that scare me. Fuck, vote for Stein if you have to. But by not voting, you're communicating a message that Trumo isn't bad enough to move you to conpromise. That's what a ton of people here in the gutter of the world are doing. Nothing.

So I don't believe you much of a right to complain about Trump. Do you ONLY vote when someone perfect is running? Because that's never happened.

For the love of god stop telling me that I'm trying to get you to support Hillary. I'm not. Far as I'm concerned you're free to do whatever, and in free to feel however I feel about it. If you've made up your mind, then that's that.

But you're essentially Trump neutral at the very least. You should own that and stop acting like you're in some crusade to change the system. System'a not changing, and your refusal to act will do nothing to change anything. You'll have to look at yourself in the mirror after all this is over and think: I couldn't be arsed! Own that. There is nothing noble or righteous about doing jack shit.
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repeat if youre asking anyone to vote for Hillary because you don't like Trump by every ontological definition you are asking them to support Hillary. are we both speaking English here or nah?

if not lets try it in a different one.

እርግጠኛ ነዎት መለከት አይደለም ምክንያቱም ሂላሪ ድምጽ ለእኔ በመጠየቅ ነው ከሆነ ሂላሪ ለመደገፍ እኔን መጠየቅ ሁሉ በልምምዳዊ
ትርጉም ናቸው.

እኛም ተመሳሳይ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ወይስ አይደለም?


edit.

how would voting for Stein stop Trump exactly? and yet somehow i am the one accused of not knowing what i am talking about?

እንዴት ስቴይን ለ ድምጽ መስጠት በትክክል መለከት ያቆማል? ነገር ግን እንደምንም ብዬ ስለ እኔ ምን እንደ ሆነ አላውቅም የተከሰሱ ሰው ነኝ?
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again, yes its precisely their job, they want my vote don't they? you seem to want it yet you havent spent even ONE SENTENCE extolling the policy reasons i should support Hillary. not even once..

Support for planned parenthood and the expansion of sex education in schools
Easier access to contraceptives
Increase in paid maternity leave
Banning the ownership of certain types of assault rifles and generally expanding background checks
Making community college education debt free
Immediately increasing national minimum wage to $12ph with ultimate aim of increasing it to $15
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Suchfriends lives in California. His vote doesn't matter as far as electoral vote goes. And I doubt the popular vote will hinge on solely his opinion. Let the baby have his empty bottle.

Voting, btw, is called a "civic responsibility." Not a personal one. Stop treating your vote like it's your hymen.
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You know, those of you who express ignorance on candidates as a reason for not voting? You have spent more than enough time on line in this forum to have learned plenty about them. In a harrowing 5 minute search, I found that one of our local judicial races had a racist ex-cop against a law degree holding consumer advocate. I didn't know anything about either, but now I've made an informed vote. Research is easy, not doing so, claiming ignorance and then not voting, while complaining loudly in on line fora is butt ass lazy
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Support for planned parenthood and the expansion of sex education in schools
Easier access to contraceptives
Increase in paid maternity leave
Banning the ownership of certain types of assault rifles and generally expanding background checks
Making community college education debt free
Immediately increasing national minimum wage to $12ph with ultimate aim of increasing it to $15



And let's not forget appointing progressives to the Supreme Court of the United States, instead of right wing nutjobs in the manner of Scalia.
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“(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away (e.g., PRIVATE SERVER) any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.”
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And let's not forget appointing progressives to the Supreme Court of the United States, instead of right wing nutjobs in the manner of Scalia.
not just the supremes but all federal judges

cabinet members

federal agency directors (from the EPA to the CIA)

board members and commissioners to the FCC and other regulatory bodies

ambassadors

also: veto power over legislation

also: the vp as president of the senate who can break ties

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You know, those of you who express ignorance on candidates as a reason for not voting? You have spent more than enough time on line in this forum to have learned plenty about them. In a harrowing 5 minute search, I found that one of our local judicial races had a racist ex-cop against a law degree holding consumer advocate. I didn't know anything about either, but now I've made an informed vote. Research is easy, not doing so, claiming ignorance and then not voting, while complaining loudly in on line fora is butt ass lazy

I was just making allowances in the event that something does come up that you don't k ow about. That's all. I'm a voter, and I vote. The one or two things I don't weigh in on every few years are anomaly.
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Old 10.22.2016, 10:47 AM   #1378
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repeat if youre asking anyone to vote for Hillary because you don't like Trump by every ontological definition you are asking them to support Hillary. are we both speaking English here or nah?

if not lets try it in a different one.

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how would voting for Stein stop Trump exactly? and yet somehow i am the one accused of not knowing what i am talking about?

እንዴት ስቴይን ለ ድምጽ መስጠት በትክክል መለከት ያቆማል? ነገር ግን እንደምንም ብዬ ስለ እኔ ምን እንደ ሆነ አላውቅም የተከሰሱ ሰው ነኝ?

Who the fuck said you didn't know what you were talking about?
You are terrible at this. You always put words in other peoples mouths, and it's Fucking infuriating.

If anything, I'm saying that because you clearly ARE well informed about candidates, policy, what is and isn't at stake, that's why you should be doing your part to keep a goddam biggot out of the White House.

If I didn't think you "knew what you were talking about" I'd say (as I've already stated) sure! Go ahead and don't vote!

It's actually kind of a compliment, you stubborn shit!!
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Old 10.22.2016, 10:52 AM   #1379
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Suchfriends lives in California. His vote doesn't matter as far as electoral vote goes. And I doubt the popular vote will hinge on solely his opinion. Let the baby have his empty bottle.

Voting, btw, is called a "civic responsibility." Not a personal one. Stop treating your vote like it's your hymen.

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Title 18. Section 2071:
“(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away (e.g., PRIVATE SERVER) any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.”

But this is not actually what Hillary did.
This is what W. Bush did. This is what Mitt Romney did. I'd wager Bill Clinton did a bit of this. But this ^ behavior you're talking about up here? Willful concealment? That's not what Hillary Clinton did. Hillary used a private server and there was overlap between personal and state information. But she turned over those emails upon request. Subjected herself to the ridiculous, over-the-top investigation and "minuscule" (according to FBI, via Politifact) confidential information was found.

At worst, and for all we know, she is guilty of mismanagement of information and perhaps being a goofy old bitty who isn't very tech-savvy.

I read the the emails as they were released to the public. My take away? Hillary Clinton is a pretty cool boss, kind of a space cadet (like my mother, who's about HRC's age), sometimes insecure, and unafraid to piss people off.

When W's administration deleted 2 million emails, it wasn't even NEWS.
When Romney did it when he was eyeing the White House, it DIDN'T EVEN COME UP.

Innocent until proven guilty. And there's not sufficient evidence to call her "guilty" of anything other than carelessness. And she cooperated with authorities and turned that shit over toot sweet. This is not a "cover up."

Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about the goddamn emails. When you know you fucked up and you do everything that's asked of you to make the situation right, that's not a cover up. When you knowingly hide information and then pretend it never existed (Bush/Cheney, Romney... Not that anyone's asking about them... oh and Truno... and Nixon...) THAT'S a cover-up. That's a crime.

The email fiasco is a symptom of suppressed sexism on a societal level. Just like Obama being blamed for the economic fallout of the Bush administration is a symptom of societal racism. It's a sick double standard, and the GOP is fanning the flames because they're desperate, and they're just counting on people being stupid enough to not think critically about the situation.
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