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Old 10.02.2016, 05:07 PM   #1041
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Can Republicans be rational, not tribal?
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Donald Trump is a strange standard-bearer for Republicans. He espouses few of the party’s traditional positions and disavows most of its icons. Almost every important conservative publication — National Review, the Weekly Standard, Commentary — opposes him, as do most leading conservative pundits, from George Will to David Brooks to Bret Stephens. Of the five previous Republican nominees for president, three will not publicly affirm that they would vote for Trump and I would bet that a fourth (John McCain) will not in the privacy of the voting booth. And yet, amazingly, in polls, Trump has received around the same level of support from Republicans as previous GOP nominees — so far. The election might well hinge on one simple issue — whether Republicans prove to be rational or tribal.

The last time so many Republican leaders defected was in 1964, and Barry Goldwater was wiped out in a landslide. But polarization is so intense in the United States today that a cardboard cutout with an “R” on it would get about 43 percent of the vote, and one with a “D” would get about the same.

For months now, many conservative intellectuals have hoped that the campaign would reveal that Trump was neither Republican nor qualified. It has, on several occasions, most recently at Monday’s debate. Public opinion polls showed that Hillary Clinton won by a huge margin. But when Republican and Republican-leaning likely voters were asked in an NBC News poll whether the debate had improved their opinion of Clinton, only 4 percent said yes. When the same group was asked whether it had worsened their impression of Trump, just 6 percent agreed. (Those numbers were 50 percent and 46 percent, respectively, among Democrats and Democratic-leaners.) Watching the same lopsided debate, people on both sides simply reaffirmed their pre-debate perspectives on the candidates.

These dynamics have reminded me of Jonathan Haidt’s seminal book, “The Righteous Mind.” Haidt, a social psychologist, used exhaustive evidence to explain that our political preferences are not the product of careful analytic reasoning. Instead, they spring from a combination of moral intuition (instinct) and a tribal affiliation with people who we believe share these instincts. We use reason, facts and analysis to affirm our gut decisions.

If you think this is true of other people and not you, consider the example of Peter Thiel, a billionaire technology entrepreneur and investor who co-founded PayPal and funded Facebook. He is an extremely intelligent and well-read person, with mostly libertarian views. He strongly supports Trump, for a truly bizarre reason. He asserts that Trump’s most significant statement during this campaign, revealing his worldview, was “to declare that government health care can work.” He quoted Trump praising the Scottish and Canadian systems — one a nationalized system, the other a single-payer network — as proof of his remarkable willingness to think heretically and challenge Republican dogmas about government.

Now, another interpretation of Trump’s remark would be that it was a stray comment, thrown off the top of his head, signifying almost nothing. Remember that Trump took five different positions on abortion in three days. NBC News calculates that he has changed his position 124 times on 20 major issues since the campaign began. In Monday’s debate, he took two contradictory positions on the “no first use” policy of nuclear weapons in 30 seconds. And most important, after that offhand reference, Trump backed down from his support for government health care, instead only reciting Republican orthodoxy about the evils of Obamacare.

So an intelligent libertarian has chosen to support a man whose main — and utterly consistent — public policy positions are anti-free trade and anti-immigration and who has promised to appoint socially conservative judges to the Supreme Court because he is convinced that Trump is actually a closet admirer of Britain’s nationalized health-care system. I cannot think of a better example of Haidt’s thesis that we come to a decision first and reason our way to it afterward.

Paul Ryan has managed similar acrobatics. Ryan is opposed to all of Trump’s major policy proposals — the wall, mass deportations, ending birthright citizenship, unilateral tariffs against China, renegotiating NAFTA, total opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, rapprochement with Vladimir Putin — and has even publicly condemned many of them. And yet, the speaker of the House says that Trump is his man.

The signs to look for in the next few weeks are whether Trump is losing any support among Republicans. That would indicate that politics is about more than tribal loyalty to a team. It would be heartening on many levels. After all, democracy depends on the ability to look at evidence and argument, to use reason and judgment, and to take seriously our roles as citizens of a great republic.

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Old 10.03.2016, 09:52 AM   #1042
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Old 10.03.2016, 02:07 PM   #1043
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Fox News reports that Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder, has canceled his scheduled Tuesday announcement. Assange notes “security concerns” as the reason for canceling the big announcement but did not go into further detail. Though details about the announcement were not given to the public, it had been widely speculated that the announcement would be about the purported Hillary Clinton dump that Assange claims to have in his possession.


 


Update: WikiLeaks reports that the Tuesday announcement will still take place as scheduled. However, instead of having Julian Assange give his announcement on the balcony of the embassy, the announcement will take place via a video conference which will air at a Berlin press conference. The press conference is slated to take place on Tuesday morning.

 


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i wonder what he is going to leak..if he will. but it seems like he is having his little campaign against her. it seems like this is well timed. looks like it would be convenient for him if she looses. do not know what to make of the whole thing, coz if he fight system he could have released leaks anytime earlier. anyway I am looking forward to those leaks.
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Old 10.03.2016, 02:10 PM   #1044
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“A dead man can’t leak stuff,” Beckel told Fox Business’ Eric Bolling in a 2010 interview. “This guy’s a traitor, he’s treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States. And I’m not for the death penalty, so… there’s only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.”

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Old 10.03.2016, 03:17 PM   #1045
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Update: WikiLeaks reports that the Tuesday announcement will still take place as scheduled. However, instead of having Julian Assange give his announcement on the balcony of the embassy, the announcement will take place via a video conference which will air at a Berlin press conference. The press conference is slated to take place on Tuesday morning.


total letdown. no leaks yet and if. supposed to be October surprise.
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Old 10.04.2016, 09:16 AM   #1047
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I woke to find my Hillary sign stolen and trump ahead in polls in Ohio.

So should I start fighting hard or give up entirely?
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Old 10.04.2016, 09:34 AM   #1048
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I woke to find my Hillary sign stolen and trump ahead in polls in Ohio.

So should I start fighting hard or give up entirely?
GIVE'EM HELL

we should all work to secure a total trump humiliation

why? because we need to discourage another candidate like him in the future

help the repukes move to the center

then, because it's not over till it's over. so.

is voter registration over in your state? maybe start there.
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Old 10.04.2016, 09:47 AM   #1049
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Going out Thursday actually to register people. Blacks I hope.

I feel pretty guilty. A dem office is about two minutes from me and I'm only now starting to pop in and do a little.

Meanwhile a pal of mine wont put a sign in his yard because he doesn't want to upset his neighbors. I transfer my guilt and give him more shit than I should.

Btw anyone feel like coming to Ohio to put up a fight? I can see what I can do to make that happen.
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Old 10.04.2016, 12:27 PM   #1050
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I woke to find my Hillary sign stolen and trump ahead in polls in Ohio.

So should I start fighting hard or give up entirely?



The former. If I could get a big roll of stickers with the swastika symbol, I would put one on each side of "Trump" on all Trump/Pence yard signs I see.
But I would like to not buy them from some white supremacist website.
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The former. If I could get a big roll of stickers with the swastika symbol, I would put one on each side of "Trump" on all Trump/Pence yard signs I see.
But I would like to not buy them from some white supremacist website.
make your own!

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Great minds...

Across the street are three trump signs in a row. Yes, I look out my window and see them.

I was thinking of spray painting a swastika. Not that I want to look out my window and see a swastika, but really, same thing.
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Old 10.04.2016, 03:00 PM   #1053
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Great minds...

Across the street are three trump signs in a row. Yes, I look out my window and see them.

I was thinking of spray painting a swastika. Not that I want to look out my window and see a swastika, but really, same thing.
best to go to a neighborhood where they don't know you. i mean. if you get caught/are spotted....

of course would be nice to know who took your sign. don't have a spare webcam lying around?
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Eh. I don't think I care who stole my sign. I'll pretend it was a hillary supporter who wanted their own sign.

My head is cooler. I decided I'll get revenge by canvassing hard. That'll show 'em.

Meanwhile...bad day for wikileaks. What will the ultimate reveal be? "Obama was born in america. Period."
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Going out Thursday actually to register people. Blacks I hope.

I feel pretty guilty. A dem office is about two minutes from me and I'm only now starting to pop in and do a little.

Meanwhile a pal of mine wont put a sign in his yard because he doesn't want to upset his neighbors. I transfer my guilt and give him more shit than I should.

Btw anyone feel like coming to Ohio to put up a fight? I can see what I can do to make that happen.

our local party (Oregon) is so much over for Clinton that they are calling Nevada and other swing states. It's not too late to help with the campaign at all! Ms Ild and I are cooking for our phone bankers, the other night we made a delicious pot of mac and cheese and homemade applesauce. We deliver food and snacks to them 3x a week. We both hate phone banking, so this is doing our part, too. I make some famous smoked chicken that's going to be delivered next week.
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ohio, explained

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basically, trump is a drug pusher
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yet how is it that the AllLivesMatter crowd havent done that? how is it that those folks who always attack BlackLivesMatter with "..but whites are killed by police more.."

see BlackLivesMatter supporters DO care about ALL police brutality, but that isn't their job. they organized around advocating against brutality against black people. no one tells the American Cancer Society "hey cancer sucks but you know you're message would be more effective if you included heart disease."

what happened in Louisiana is such a tragedy the entire nation should be outraged. it shouldn't require BlackLivesMatter to get involved.

wait, there's an AllLivesMatter organization? couldn't they jsut combine into one anti-police brutality group? being reminded of cancer and heart disease at the same time seems even more effective. why not a reminder to join yr local gym too. all in one big sticker for your bumper.
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will be watching the veep debate tonight. I want to see "Penice exposed" for the dick he is, what a shit head. He has not been a factor so far in this election season, but he sure as hell should be

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would love for them to be ALL exposed for the warmongering money loving dicks they are. people say by me not voting im handing the vote to their opposite. who's opposite exactly? yr personal political opposite traded in for my non vote? that makes no sense and all perfect sense. it's the perfect system to fail when they don't account for all people. America can be define that way and even democracy for that matter. lay abouts, manipulators and sponge suck off freeloaders and minorities are welcomed. it's great. all can be divided into categories divided into self sufficient opinion sub categories that make a difference weather good or bad and keeps America America and it's citizens voting and arguing. one big catalog instead of numbers they're logging you in with stats of race, class and political party.
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