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Old 01.27.2018, 07:41 PM   #3621
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This interested me, so I did some research. No ban. No registry. It is flawed. It's not as "progressive" as some would want, but it's miles away from anything Trump Administration has proposed or, indeed, implemented.

In 2014, the U.S. government announced a new anti-terrorism initiative in the United States. The program, dubbed Countering Violent Extremism (CVE), aims to deter U.S. residents from joining "violent extremist" groups by bringing community and religious leaders together with law enforcement, health professionals, teachers and social service employees. Attorney General Eric Holder announced a White House CVE summit and three CVE pilot programs to begin in Boston, Minneapolis, and Los Angeles.

These programs, however, are not new. CVE programs have existed for some time, often with dubious results. And while purportedly aimed at rooting out all violent extremism, they have previously focused only on Muslims, stigmatizing them as a suspect community. These programs have further promoted flawed theories of terrorist radicalization which lead to unnecessary fear, discrimination, and unjustified reporting to law enforcement.


https://www.brennancenter.org/analys...-resource-page

Where do you get your "information?"


Dated 16 March 2017:

Documents support fears of Muslim surveillance by Obama-era program

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Old 01.28.2018, 05:05 PM   #3622
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Wow...

The FBI just released the results of their investigation claiming that the media mogul and found of RT killed himself by repeatedly smashing his head and upper body into the ground.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...his-hotel-room

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Old 01.28.2018, 05:20 PM   #3623
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No Muslim registry, no widespread ban, including refugees, still far away from El Douche's draconian bullshit, still uncomfortable with it. So, basically what I said. Not at all surprised FBI overstepped; they infiltrated the Occupy movement after all. It's what they do. I will confess I'm embarrassed I didn't pay more attention when the story unfurled. I'll give you that.

You know who did pay attention? Liberal/progressive groups, so your premise that liberals don't actually care is bullshit.

And what was the point of referring to some anti-racism/xenophobia signs you saw pre-Trump? Racism existed before Trump, therefore... what?

I think people are mean to you on this board. I feel bad sometimes. I guess I learned something new, but that was a shitty way to learn it. (Btw, no amount of latinite vocab and convoluted syntax makes your posts any more "intellectual." Only idiots are tricked by a dumb idea wrapped in faux academic prose.)

I'm done. Go organize with people who share your politics. Unless you don't actually care.
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Old 01.28.2018, 09:08 PM   #3624
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No Muslim registry, no widespread ban, including refugees, still far away from El Douche's draconian bullshit, still uncomfortable with it. So, basically what I said. Not at all surprised FBI overstepped; they infiltrated the Occupy movement after all. It's what they do. I will confess I'm embarrassed I didn't pay more attention when the story unfurled. I'll give you that.

I began my piece by admitting that Obama's policies are quantitatively different, yet sufficiently similar in quality that consistent liberals should have decried him in the same vein that they bow decry Trump.

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You know who did pay attention? Liberal/progressive groups, so your premise that liberals don't actually care is bullshit.

One leftist group that did pay attention is the highly principled Defending Rights & Dissent (formerly the Bill of Rights Defense Committee & Defending Dissent Foundation), which did raise the alarm while Obama was still in office. I'm generally a supporter of theirs, and respect them even when I disagree with them.

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And what was the point of referring to some anti-racism/xenophobia signs you saw pre-Trump? Racism existed before Trump, therefore... what?

The signs went up between the election and the inauguration, and were clearly aimed at Trump and his supporters.

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I think people are mean to you on this board. I feel bad sometimes. I guess I learned something new, but that was a shitty way to learn it. (Btw, no amount of latinite vocab and convoluted syntax makes your posts any more "intellectual." Only idiots are tricked by a dumb idea wrapped in faux academic prose.)

I'm done. Go organize with people who share your politics. Unless you don't actually care.

I'm not going anywhere unless the MB administration says otherwise. My primary purpose in engaging in these discussions is to demonstrate that there's really nothing "left-wing" about PC liberalism, and to challenge the assumptions underlying that ideology.

Besides, it's spelled latinate, not latinite.
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Old 01.29.2018, 12:24 PM   #3625
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My primary purpose in engaging in these discussions is to demonstrate that there's really nothing "left-wing" about PC liberalism, and to challenge the assumptions underlying that ideology.

I increasingly wonder if 'left-wing' simply means something different for those who now describe themselves as such. But if they aren't 'Left', their cavalier attitude to free speech and apparent willingness to tip-toe around the sensitivities of certain (utterly illiberal) religions, make them equally incompatible with what I understand to be liberalism. Or maybe someone just moved the goalposts without telling me.
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Old 01.29.2018, 01:21 PM   #3627
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I increasingly wonder if 'left-wing' simply means something different for those who now describe themselves as such. But if they aren't 'Left', their cavalier attitude to free speech and apparent willingness to tip-toe around the sensitivities of certain (utterly illiberal) religions, make them equally incompatible with what I understand to be liberalism. Or maybe someone just moved the goalposts without telling me.

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Old 01.29.2018, 01:32 PM   #3628
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I increasingly wonder if 'left-wing' simply means something different for those who now describe themselves as such. But if they aren't 'Left', their cavalier attitude to free speech and apparent willingness to tip-toe around the sensitivities of certain (utterly illiberal) religions, make them equally incompatible with what I understand to be liberalism. Or maybe someone just moved the goalposts without telling me.

Nah, look, we have enough problems dealing with the Trumpocalypse to go into the rabbithole (the shithole?) with Schunk. I used to think the difference between him and t69 is that the latter is obviously a paranoid schizophrenic having a psychotic break, while the former was "just" a wretched conceptual mess. But the bottomline is it doesn't fucking matter what Schunk defines as what because he was excruciatingly stupid enough to take what Trump said AT FACE VALUE and VOTE FOR THE FUCKER, even though anyone with eyes and ears could immediately tell Drumpf was lying out of his ass. That alone disqualifies Schunk to discuss anything.
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This is going really well...

FBI Deputy Director McCabe stepping down

More: https://news.google.com/news/story/d...us&hl=en&gl=US
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I increasingly wonder if 'left-wing' simply means something different for those who now describe themselves as such. But if they aren't 'Left', their cavalier attitude to free speech and apparent willingness to tip-toe around the sensitivities of certain (utterly illiberal) religions, make them equally incompatible with what I understand to be liberalism. Or maybe someone just moved the goalposts without telling me.


'All Hell Broke Loose': NYU Prof Suing School After Being 'Coerced' Into Paid Leave for Criticizing PC Culture

A liberal studies professor at New York University was put on paid leave and ridiculed by his colleagues for his criticism of political correctness on campus. Michael Rectenwald is suing NYU and several professors, alleging they have launched a harassment campaign against him because they disagree with his views. Tucker Carlson noted that the Greenwich Village school is one of the most liberal in the world. Rectenwald agreed, saying "all hell broke loose" after administrators discovered his Twitter account, which listed criticisms of political correctness and suppression of speech on campus writ-large. "I merely made criticisms," he said, noting that his focus was national - citing the treatment of conservative commentator Milo Yiannopoulos in 2017. "I mentioned no persons by name, no... identities at all," he said. Rectenwald told Carlson he was "coerced" into being put on paid leave and soon after returning to NYU, he was pelted with stern emails from colleagues, questioning his "mental well-being."He said the campus' "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" group denounced him in what he called a "double-speak Orwellian condemnation."Carlson remarked that it was ironic to see a college's "inclusion" committee "exclude" Rectenwald."[I'm] guilty for the structure of my thinking," he said, paraphrasing the group's critique.NYU spokesperson John Beckman responded, “This suit has no merit.”
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Old 01.30.2018, 10:36 AM   #3631
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Sure. It's so hard to tell the difference between homicidal Neo-Nazis and school administrators. The fuck, Roberto? Bad people on both sides? Where have I heard that before?

Putting Robert on ignore. So done with this shit. I'll miss out on Tucker Carlson links, but I'll live.
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Let the record reflect that evollove couldn't explain his putting me on his ignore list without putting someone else's words in my mouth and dismissing Professor Rectenwald's statement simply because it was aired on the Tucker Carlson show.
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'All Hell Broke Loose': NYU Prof Suing School After Being 'Coerced' Into Paid Leave for Criticizing PC Culture

A liberal studies professor at New York University was put on paid leave and ridiculed by his colleagues for his criticism of political correctness on campus. Michael Rectenwald is suing NYU and several professors, alleging they have launched a harassment campaign against him because they disagree with his views. Tucker Carlson noted that the Greenwich Village school is one of the most liberal in the world. Rectenwald agreed, saying "all hell broke loose" after administrators discovered his Twitter account, which listed criticisms of political correctness and suppression of speech on campus writ-large. "I merely made criticisms," he said, noting that his focus was national - citing the treatment of conservative commentator Milo Yiannopoulos in 2017. "I mentioned no persons by name, no... identities at all," he said. Rectenwald told Carlson he was "coerced" into being put on paid leave and soon after returning to NYU, he was pelted with stern emails from colleagues, questioning his "mental well-being."He said the campus' "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" group denounced him in what he called a "double-speak Orwellian condemnation."Carlson remarked that it was ironic to see a college's "inclusion" committee "exclude" Rectenwald."[I'm] guilty for the structure of my thinking," he said, paraphrasing the group's critique.NYU spokesperson John Beckman responded, “This suit has no merit.”

Something similar happened at a university in Canada, where a lecturer was brought in front of a committee and had to defend herself for showing a clip of Jordan Peterson during a class debate about gender identity.

The lecturer secretly recorded the meeting on her phone.

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jeezus fuckin christ this thread lol

been busy moving but to summarize:

schunk’s first post: whataboutism and dementia (because a discreet “prevention of radicalization” is not the same as the public stoking of ethnic strife so his caveat of “qualitative difference” actually disqualifies the whole presentation as the qualitative differences are such as to make the comparison both silly and perverse)

demonyo extrapolates the lunacy of academia to society at large. there is no free speech issue with schunk— he says whatever the fuck he wants and others do the same. he defends a racist, gets called an idiot, in the marketplace of ideas

ilducio and soupnazi are being goofy which this being the internet is their prerogative i guess

as for the certain-certain-certain let’s not dance around the issue, your’re talking about muslims and islam and saying the religion is illiberal. issue is muslims come in all stripes just like christians. the american taliban is actually christian. so, deport all christians?

american muslims were doing fine until this whole bullshit with “terrorism” started. now they’re being pushed against the corner by terrible fucking policies and rhetoric.

robigator’s statement is patently true but maybe a bit of an odd timing contextualizes it as an extreme relativism

evollove is just practicing good time management, because it’s crazy to engage a crazy. just wish it was in a less wounded fashion.

tucker carlson is a shitbird no doubt

and academia is indeed an ideological hellhole which is why i quit it early and often. last discussion i had on the new blade runner with a professor friend she was foaming at the mouth and banging at the table with a fist screaming “weinstein”. so much for “ideas.”

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Trump's State of the Union: 18 WTF Moments

Yeah, it’s Rolling Stone, but they’ve had better political writing than music writing in the last two years, and this is a good primer for anyone who wasn’t watching the goiter flap in real time.
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Poor little consies, they sure can dish it out but can't take it, what's called a china chin

Was this directed at me? Can't tell. If so, how's this: Robert Schunk is a retarded faggot.

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and academia is indeed an ideological hellhole which is why i quit it early and often.

No. Ideologically entrenched Academia is merely annoying and unfortunate. (I left a place called Antioch College after exactly one semester for that very reason.)

Living among homicidal neo-Nazis and their apologists is the real hellhole. If saying that makes me PC, color me PC. But I'm fucking sick of tolerating retarded faggots.
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No. Ideologically entrenched Academia is merely annoying and unfortunate. (I left a place called Antioch College after exactly one semester for that very reason.)

Living among homicidal neo-Nazis and their apologists is the real hellhole..

kissinger famously said (im paraphrasing) the reason academic fights are so vicious is because the stakes are so low

and yeah the academic casualty count is low, but it’s still a hellhole if your livelihood depends on it. and who’s afraid of virginia woolf?

but you’re right— the problem is now we have a lunatic in charge of the asylum who is applying low-stakes tactics to such high-stakes situations as the future of liberal democracies or global thermonuclear war. it’s a fucking disgrace.

the other stuff you wrote and i’m not quoting is embarrassing and goes against the point you’re trying to make, but i understand the rage and what it does to a brain. you likely need to sleep it off. what ilducio said wasn’t against you since you’re not a consie (conservative, i’m guessing) so... yeah.

don’t engage a crazy or you might become one.
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kissinger famously said (im paraphrasing) the reason academic fights are so vicious is because the stakes are so low

and yeah the academic casualty count is low, but it’s still a hellhole if your livelihood depends on it. and who’s afraid of virginia woolf?

The stakes seem quite high to me, as the integrity, quality and future of Western academia are at stake. If the schools are now turning out ideologically programmed robots, who's going to restore academic rigor, creativity and objectivity?

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don’t engage a crazy or you might become one.

I don't know how crazy I am, as I've already indicated that Defending Rights and Dissent raised the alarm on CVE while Obama was still in office, and it alarmed me as well as it seems to imply, if not guilt by association, then suspicion by association. I oppose both CVE and the Muslim Registry for the same Constitutional reason.
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