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Old 02.16.2017, 12:47 PM   #2361
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Pence is so much worse than Trump.
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Old 02.16.2017, 01:34 PM   #2362
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Pence is so much worse than Trump.
yes and no

pence is ideologically a christian conservative. repugnant to me.

but... he seems to have more respect for the branches of government and the law. he'd pass laws, laws would get repealed... you get the idea.

trump... trump is toxic to democracy itself. he threatens to overthrow the whole system of government. that wouldn't be so easy to repair.

parts of latin america are barely coming out of 200 years of caudillismo and make some progress through democratic institutions and the rule of law-- and this fucker wants to turn us into venezuela?

let's please build the wall and keep him outside.
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Old 02.16.2017, 03:11 PM   #2363
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The presser was a winner, according to #MAGA on Twitter.

the #Trump presser was like watching an experienced teacher handling a bunch of unruly grade schoolers..it was great..#MAGA

@POTUS absolutely and completely BLISTERED #MSM today! ����#2A #guns #pewpew #NRA #AR15 #MAGA

was like watching your favorite team run the score up on a hated rival. MSM just got trounced on home field. #MAGA

Today's press conference rocked with transparency. Nothing U would have ever seen from lying Obama. I am so proud of my president #DJT #MAGA

Poor Chuck. Trump can speak directly to public. Doesn't need press. Things have changed Chuck. @chucktodd #MAGA

Very proud of our President Trump as he completely lined out our planning for America. He stepped up to become Father Of our Country. #MAGA

MEDIA knocked loopy by Can-o-Whoopazz opened on them at Presser #maga
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Old 02.16.2017, 05:33 PM   #2364
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Maybe we should replace the word "under" in the USA Pledge of Allegiance to "fuck"

One nation
fuck god
indivisible
with Liberty and Justice for all
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Because, as we all know, all black people know each other, yo:

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From the NY Daily News:

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Here are President Trump’s most memorable lines on a variety of topics at his sprawling press conference at the White House on Thursday:


STATE OF THE UNION

“To be honest, I inherited a mess. It's a mess at home and abroad.”

“What a mess.”


HIS ADMINISTRATION

“I see stories of chaos yet it is the exact opposite.”

“This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine.”

“There has never been a president that has done so much in such a short period of time… And we haven’t even started the big work yet.”


THE MEDIA

“The leaks are absolutely real ... the news is fake.”

“The press has become so dishonest, that if we don’t talk about it we are doing a tremendous disservice to the American people, a tremendous disservice, we have to talk about it … “The press is out of control … the level of dishonesty is out of control.”

“Here’s the problem: The public, they read newspapers, they see television, but they don’t know if it’s true or false, because they’re not involved ... I’m involved. I’ve been involved with this stuff all my life. But I’m involved, so I know when you’re telling the truth and when you’re not.”

“The tone is such hatred ... I’m really not a bad person by the way.”

“Many of our nation’s reporters will not tell you the truth and will not treat the wonderful people of this country with the respect that they deserve.”


CNN

“Very fake news.”

“You just take a look at that show” (about “CNN Tonight With Don Lemon”). “That is a constant hit. The panel is almost always exclusive anti-Trump. And the hatred and venom coming from his mouth.”


BBC

“There’s another beauty.”


FOX & FRIENDS

“I have to say, ‘Fox & Friends’ in the morning, they’re very honorable people ... They have the most honest morning show.”


THE ECONOMY

“Tremendous surge of optimism in the business world… That used to mean, ‘oh that’s good.’ Now it means, ‘that’s good for jobs.’”


HIS TV RATINGS

“I do get good ratings. You have to admit that.”


HILLARY CLINTON

“Does anybody really think Hillary Clinton would be tougher on Russia than Donald Trump?”

“Nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions for the debates.”

“I didn’t do anything for Russia. I’ve done nothing for Russia. Hillary Clinton gave them 20% of our uranium. Hillary Clinton did a reset, remember? With the stupid plastic button that made us all look like a bunch of jerks. Here, take a look. He (Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov) looked at her like, 'what the hell is she doing with that cheap plastic button?'" Hillary Clinton, that was a reset, remember it said 'reset?’ … "Now if I do that, ooh, I'm a bad guy."


THE TRAVEL BAN

“The rollout was perfect.”

“We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban.”

"We got a very bad (court) decision — that was the only thing wrong with travel ban."


THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS (which ruled against ban)

“A circuit in chaos … Frankly, it’s in turmoil.”


NUCLEAR WAR

“If Russia and the United States actually got together and got along … and don’t forget we’re a very powerful nuclear country and so are they, there’s no upside … Nuclear holocaust would be like no other … If we have a good relationship with Russia, believe me that's a good thing.”


MIKE FLYNN

“Mike Flynn is a fine person.”

“I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence. That simple.”


SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER

“...Schumer, or some other lightweight...”


RUSSIA

“The whole Russia thing is a ruse.”

“It's all fake news ... Russia is fake news put out by the media.”


DRUGS

“Drugs are becoming cheaper than candy bars.”


ANTI-SEMITISM

“I am the least anti-Semitic person you’ve ever seen in your entire life.”


RACISM

“The least racist person … I hate the charge. I find it repulsive. I hate the very question.”


DIVISION

"I didn't come along and divide this country. This country was divided when I got here."

“It’s all about unification … we’re unifying the party and hopefully we’re going to unify the country.”
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Old 02.17.2017, 05:35 PM   #2367
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This is a good tool to find local resistance activities.

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the reason this tangerine cunt is whining about the media so much is because he knows that the truth will out and all the illegal fucked up sex the russians are blackmailing him about will leak.
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WHY ARE ANY OF YOU GUYS HERE?
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the reason this tangerine cunt is whining about the media so much is because he knows that the truth will out and all the illegal fucked up sex the russians are blackmailing him about will leak.

The #Fakenews thing is spreading like McCarthyism. I have personally, at my dinky little small town editorial job, been called on the phone and called "Fake News!" more than once. Had nothing to do with Trump, or me, but someone saw something they didn't like and they called and accused me of being a fraud.

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Russia plotted to assassinate the prime minister of a European nation and overthrow its government last year, according to senior Whitehall sources.

An election-day coup plot to attack Montenegro’s parliament and kill the pro-Western leader was directed by Russian intelligence officers with the support and blessing of Moscow, to sabotage the country’s plan to join Nato.

The plot was foiled only hours before it was due to be carried out, but would have caused heavy bloodshed and plunged the tiny country into turmoil on the eve of becoming Nato’s 29th member.

The allegation came as Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, criticised Nato as a “Cold War institution” whose expansion had led to unprecedented tensions in Europe over the past thirty years.

The planned Montenegro coup scheduled for October 16 last year was one of the most blatant recent examples of an increasingly aggressive campaign of interference in Western affairs, Whitehall sources told The Telegraph.

Interpol is now hunting two Russians the Montenegrin government says are intelligence officers who hatched the plot.

The pair spent months overseeing the recruitment and equipping of a small force of Serbian nationalists to attack the parliament building, disguised as local police, and kill Milo Djukanovic, the prime minister at the time.

The Kremlin has strongly denied any involvement, and the Montenegrin special prosecutor has publically stopped short of alleging Moscow’s involvement in a plot it has blamed on “Russian nationalists”. The country’s pro-Russian opposition bloc says the alleged coup was “fake”.

But British and American intelligence agencies called in to help the Montenegrin authorities unravel the conspiracy are understood to have gathered evidence of high-level Russian complicity.

Encrypted phone calls, email traffic and testimony from plotters-turned-informants are now part of the criminal investigation of 21 conspirators accused of terrorism and “preparing acts against the constitutional order of Montenegro”.

Predrag Bosković, Montenegrin defence minister, told The Telegraph there is “not any doubt” that the plot was financed and organised by Russian intelligence officers alongside local radicals.

Sources told The Telegraph the plot appeared to have been constructed so it was deniable and could be blamed on rogue Russian agents and nationalists, but evidence showed it was inconceivable it did not have high-level backing.

One source said: “You are talking about a plot to disrupt or take over a government in some way. You can’t imagine that there wasn’t some kind of approval process.”

Nemanja Ristic, one of the alleged plotters wanted by Montenegrin authorities, was recently photographed standing next to Sergei Lavrov as he visited Serbia.

Details of the conspiracy have been disclosed after Sir Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, warned of a “step change” in the Kremlin’s meddling in Western countries during 2016.

Sir Michael used a speech earlier this month to warn that Russia is “clearly testing Nato and the West” by “seeking to expand its sphere of influence, destabilise countries, and weaken the alliance”.

Alex Younger, the chief of MI6, also warned recently that attempts to subvert democracy by states like Russia pose a fundamental threat to sovereignty for Britain and its allies.

The October plot followed repeated warnings from Moscow that Montenegro should abandon plans to join Nato later this year (2017).

Moscow has been keen for the country of 600,000 people to remain inside its own sphere of influence, or at least neutral, and has in the past lobbied hard for naval access to its Adriatic ports.

In the months before the coup was due to take place, the Kremlin is suspected of pouring millions of pounds into a slick pro-Russian election campaign run by the country’s main opposition bloc, the Democratic Front.

The country’s special prosecutor told The Telegraph that the plotters would have mingled with Democratic Front protestors outside the parliament building in the country’s capital, Podgorica, as the election results were announced.

At an appointed sign, the conspirators would have forced their way inside, and in the confusion, colleagues dressed in police uniforms would have also opened fire on the crowd “so that citizens would think that the official police are shooting at them”.

“Had it been executed, such a scenario would have had an unforeseeable consequence.”

The prosecutor, Milivoje Katnic, said he had “obtained evidence that the plan was not only to deprive of liberty, but also to deprive of life the then Prime Minister.”

On Saturday, America’s vice president tried to reassure European nations worried that Donald Trump intends to sell them out while forging a new relationship with Vladimir Putin.

Mike Pence told European leaders at the Munich Security Conference that the new Trump administration would “hold Russia accountable, even as we search for new common ground which as you know President Trump believes can be found”.

Mr Pence said the US will be “unwavering” in its support for Europe, but he reinforced Mr Trump’s ultimatum that its countries must spend more on defence.

He said the new American president promised to “stand with Europe today and every day”.

But he went on to warn that the failure of some of Europe’s biggest economies to keep their Nato promise of spending two per cent of GDP on their militaries was undermining the transatlantic defence pact.

He said the failure to meet the Nato spending "erodes the very foundation of our alliance".

"Let me be clear on this point: The president of the United States expects our allies to keep their word, to fulfill this commitment and, for most, that means the time has come to do more.”
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America has long complained of Nato partners shirking their end of the alliance’s defence burden, but the election of Mr Trump had ushered in a new “political reality”, the Pentagon chief told his Nato counterparts earlier this week.

Only five Nato members, including Britain and America, reach the target at present and some of Europe’s biggest economies spend only half that.

On Saturday, Mr Lavrov told US and European leaders gathered at the Munich Security Conference that Russia desired a "post-West world order."

He said Russia wants "pragmatic relations, mutual respect, understanding our special responsibility for global stability."

He added: "We have immense potential that has yet to be tapped into, and we're open for that in as much as the US is open for that as well."

Mr Lavrov said he hopes "responsible leaders" will choose to create a "just world order - if you want you can call it a post-West world order."

Meanwhile a senior Nato general said Russia was behind a false report of a rape by German soldiers in Lithuania that was intended to undermine support for Nato's new eastern force.

Meanwhile a senior Nato general said Russia was behind a false report of a rape by German soldiers in Lithuania that was intended to undermine support for Nato's new eastern force.

Gen Petr Pavel, who heads Nato's military committee, said a claim that German-speaking men raped a 15-year-old girl last week in a Lithuanian town close to a German army barracks "was not based on real events".

The 2016 US election and the early weeks of Donald Trump’s administration have been dominated by allegations Russia hacked political organisations to undermine American democracy.

US intelligence agencies have said they believe the Kremlin ordered a series of cyber attacks to target Hillary Clinton’s campaign and sway the vote in favour of Mr Trump.

At the same time its propaganda experts were alleged to have unleashed a barrage of disinformation and so-called fake news stories on social media.

John McCain, the senior Republican senator, said the result was an unprecedented “attack on our democracy."

Russia’s annexation of Crimea in early 2014 and its support for armed separatists in eastern Ukraine set a new benchmark for Moscow’s brazen aggression under Vladimir Putin.

After the overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, seemed to herald a move into the Western fold, Russia launched a sophisticated campaign of cyber attacks and propaganda, while at the same time funding local militia, and bolstering them with conventional forces in disguise.

Many military analysts believe this campaign of so-called hybrid warfare, which is designed to be murky and deniable enough to make it difficult for the West to respond, will set a template for any future Russian interference.

Three years on, Russia appears to have its goal: Ukraine is hobbled by an unresolved conflict in the east and unable to join Nato or the European Union.

The assassination of the former Russian spy, in London and under the noses of the British government, was an early indication that Moscow may have embarked on a new phase of aggression.

Alexander Litvinenko fled to the UK in 2000 and became an outspoken critic of Putin and Russia’s intelligence agencies.

In November 2006, Mr Litvinenko drank tea laced with polonium-210, a deadly radioactive element, at a café in West London during a meeting with Russian businessmen. He died of radiation poisoning days later.

The investigation that followed said there was a "strong probability" that the FSB, the successor spy agency to the Soviet KGB, directed the killing, which was “probably” approved by Vladimir Putin.

The Baltic nation of Estonia in 2007 provoked the anger of Russia when it decided to relocate a memorial commemorating Soviet soldiers killed in the war.

Soon after a public spat, the country was hit by three weeks of cyber attacks against critical parts of government, media and banking infrastructure.

Russia denied involvement in the highly sophisticated attack but Estonian and Nato officials are certain it originated there. The incident forced Nato to improve cyber security, and its cyber defence centre is now based in Tallinn.

Intelligence experts say it is notoriously hard to apportion blame for cyber attacks, but they are widely believed to be a central part of Russia’s doctrine of hybrid warfare.

In April 2015, the French television channel TV5Monde went off air after a cyber attack by a group calling itself the Cyber Caliphate. However a French investigation pointed the finger at the Kremlin.

Germany's domestic intelligence agency then accused Russia of being behind cyber attacks on German state computer systems and the German parliament in 2015.

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you won't hear that on infowars

since the fascist sellout alex jones is too busy putting out propaganda for trump

isn't that right tesla?
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Hey, there's a petition out of D.C. to have Trumpence "legally removed" from office for Misprision of Treason.

SIGN THAT SHIT
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I wonder if Trump would be able to point out an a map where Sweden is

In English: This happened in Sweden Friday night, Mr President
this is the Swedish newspaper on their Swedish site in Swedish only language posting a page in English so that even Trump can read that there's nothing going on in Sweden!!
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A wooden moose got the attention of a lovesick moose bull. It all happened in 79 year old Ove Lindqvist’s garden in Byske outside Skellefteå, northern Sweden. ”I thought it was going to start a fight, instead it humped the wooden moose thrice”, he said




and about the wall: I thought this story was really interesting:
the Trump wall may “discourage migrants from leaving the United States, rather than preventing their entrance in the first place” — creating what is described as a “cage of gold.”

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statistics from Pew Research indicating that immigration from Mexico is at “all-time low” following the 2008 subprime mortgage meltdown. From 2009 to 2014, there was a net loss of 140,000 Mexican immigrants. The host explained the theory that a less porous border might cause some undocumented immigrants considering returning to home to Mexico to rethink their plans because it might be impossible to reenter the United States again in the future.
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This is going to be a long post, so where shall I begin?

I'll take Severian's last post as a starting point. Although I was not able to connect to his link, as my computer identified the link as untrusted, I'll take his description as valid. By "legally removed", I assume that the petition site refers to impeachment, which is Congress' Constitutional right and, if need be, duty. The reference to "misprision of treason" is, however, inaccurate, as the actual law which may or may not have been violated by Gen. Flynn is the Logan Act of 1799, which outlaws diplomacy by private US citizens absent prior permission of Congress. Should there be reason to suspect that Gen. Flynn has violated this act, then let him be investigated and prosecuted, along with every US citizen who has ever attended the meetings of the BIlderberg Group, which includes Hillary Clinton, David Rockefeller, and Henry Kissinger, among many other establishment figures. Concerning any charge of misprision concerning President Trump, such determination would be up to the Congress in the course of an impeachment proceeding. Should Congress find that necessary, their Constitutional right and duty lies with their impeachment power.

Yet, my brief association with the Democratic Party during the primary campaign (considering my having supported Bernie Sanders) has granted me access to certain internal Democratic Party mass email campaigns, particularly from the National Democratic Training Committee, which emails advocate blatantly unconstitutional actions such as a "special Presidential election" which finds no support within Article !! nor the Twenty Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, or simply imposing Hillary Clinton as President despite her having lost the election according to the Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution.

This situation greatly reminds me of the situation in Chile following the election of Salvador Allende (a Socialist after my own heart!) as President. Just as President Trump now seems to be doing, President Allende attempted to ingratiate his necessarily revolutionary administration with the legacy power structure, without realizing that the power structure which his very election threatened had already resolved to overthrow his administration by any means available, legal or illegal.
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Concerning the Russians, I have long realized that the US establishment are looking forward to a war with Russia, whether cold or hot. And, once again, concerning current Russian activities within Crimea and the Ukraine, I must point out that the popularly elected government of the Ukraine was overthrown, violently (i.e., Chile-style) by agitation from certain pro-EU and pro-MATO (Hey, why should I stop referring to NATO as "MATO" now? ) groups all sponsored by George Soros, the billionaire financier behind both the Ukrainian coup and the "anti-Trimp resistance" (actually counterrevolution) here in the United States today.

Assuming the accuracy of the reports of the attempted coup in Montenegro, what is the difference between that and what the US did in Chile and the EU/NATO in Ukraine?

And what are the establishment attempting in the US today, under the guise of the grassroots Democratic Party resistance? From my perspective, the singular achievement of the 2016 Presidential election was the destruction of the two-party system which has so long hobbled truly democratic discourse within the US. Indeed, the greatest threat to the Trump administration lies within the reactionary Republican Party, once they truly awaken to the fact that they actually LOST the race for the White House in 2016 to a genuine revolutionary.

The principle task of the revolution, therefor, lies, not so much in the creation of a new revolutionary organization, which appears already to have arisen to the extent needed, as to deprive the two legacy parties, the Demoblicans and Republicrats, a future.
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hey people of the thread. before reacting to this nonsense, consider the worlds of george carlin:

never argue with an idiot

they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience


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hey people of the thread. before reacting to this nonsense, consider the worlds of george carlin:

never argue with an idiot

they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience


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The tragedy with the quote is that everyone's determined idiot is different.
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well i don't drink deodorant but you're right-- there's a profound schism in the way different factions see the world these days

i make an effort every morning to take a look at breitbart and fox news, to see how "the other side" thinks and try to reconcile some sort of reality

but when a president berates a "so-called judge" and threatens the separation of the branches of government-- i don't smell the stench of populist tyrants like hugo chávez because "soros told me".

an authoritarian is an authoritarian is a authoritarian. and authoritarianism is a terrible form of government in spite of short term superficial results and empty promises.

"soros" didn't make me grow up in a dictatorship so i could come to tell you this decades later.
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