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Old 01.23.2017, 09:49 AM   #2101
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Although I missed watching President Trump's inauguration on TV, I heard that his inaugural address included the phrase "America First!", which has been the rallying cry of German-Americans during the entire 20th Century! How wonderful to have a Twenty-First Century President who's one of US and who sings OUR song!

 
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so-- 'murka 'murka goober alles is what you're saying?
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Trump Speaks at CIA Headquarters (transcript courtesy of CSPAN)
Saturday, January 21, 2017, 5:17 PM

...maybe sometimes, you haven’t gotten the backing that you’ve wanted. And you’re going to get so much backing. Maybe you’re going to say “please don’t give us so much backing. Mr President, please, we don’t need that much backing”.

...I’m a person that very strongly believes in academics. In fact, every time I say, I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for 35 years, who did a fantastic job in so many different ways academically. He was an academic genius. And then they say: “is Donald Trump an intellectual?” Trust me. I’m like a smart person.

...I wasn’t a fan of Iraq. I didn’t want to go into Iraq. But I will tell you. When we were in, we got out wrong.
And I always said: “In addition to that, keep the oil”. ... So we should have kept the oil. But okay. [laughter] Maybe we’ll have another chance."
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“please don’t give us so much backing. Mr President, please, we don’t need that much backing”

This sucks. That quote is so fucking hilarious, yet I cannot bring myself to laugh.
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Old 01.23.2017, 01:13 PM   #2104
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so-- 'murka 'murka goober alles is what you're saying?

Our german teacher said a Morrocan with piles of kids and no income said "Allah helps" the german teacher said, "no. Angie helps"
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Old 01.23.2017, 01:49 PM   #2105
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culture wars are in full swing. The Trumpskies have vowed to defund National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities, and National Public Media, which altogether account for around 0.04% of the US budget... and the "reason" is to cut government waste.
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he has also vowed to cut 75% of all government regulation on the businesses and industries his best buddies make billions off of. Nice.
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culture wars are in full swing. The Trumpskies have vowed to defund National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities, and National Public Media, which altogether account for around 0.04% of the US budget... and the "reason" is to cut government waste.
welcome to trumptopia!

wresting and "reality" TV will get all the subsidies

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he has also vowed to cut 75% of all government regulation on the businesses and industries his best buddies make billions off of. Nice.

have you read the new whitehouse.gov? in the "energy" page he promises to increase fossil fuels and fracking and return to "clean coal" while (cursorily in the last line) "protecting our air and water" . as if those things weren't, actually, mutually exclusive!

 


bring a lighter to your faucet & start testing your water!

 


of course coca-cola will make billions off the panic. buy shares now.
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so-- 'murka 'murka goober alles is what you're saying?

No; that's an isolationist slogan. I'm hoping under President Trump we don't go jumping into every war that comes down the pike. Quitting MATO would be nice, too, so we don't get into trouble for what our friends might do.
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No; that's an isolationist slogan. I'm hoping under President Trump we don't go jumping into every war that comes down the pike. Quitting MATO would be nice, too, so we don't get into trouble for what our friends might do.

"To MATO with love". It's the James Bond movie with Bronson Pinchot as Bond and he is on a mission to defeat the Straight Deutsch Dyke who is throwning rotten tomatoes at bad James Bond actors.
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Old 01.23.2017, 04:46 PM   #2110
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US creates wars. we do not jump in on wars. If we did we would have stopped the civil war in Sierra Leone that killed hundreds of thousands or the civil wars in the Congo where millions died, or even the ethnic cleansing going on in eastern Europe under Ceausescu or the civil war/genocide in Burma.
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US creates wars. we do not jump in on wars. If we did we would have stopped the civil war in Sierra Leone that killed hundreds of thousands or the civil wars in the Congo where millions died, or even the ethnic cleansing going on in eastern Europe under Ceausescu or the civil war/genocide in Burma.

That's the more recent pattern; I was thinking of earlier days as described by an isolationist speaker around 1960, who compared US foreign policy to a rich man who lived in the best neighborhood in town insisting on walking through the slums every night and jumping into every brawl he came across. I believe the war that Trump's election forestalled was a direct US intervention against the Assad government of Syria which certainly would have triggered a war with Russia.
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The big demonstrations are being stirred up by major Democratic Party donor George Soros, whose track record includes the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in favor of a tyrannical government, and the national security establishment, which has been running this country since 1915 (the beginning of the US economic mobilization for World War I).

Here's security analyst John Robb's take on events:

Will the World be Safer or More Dangerous Under a Trump Presidency?

Posted: 19 Jan 2017 09:26 AM PST

With Trump's inauguration tomorrow, I thought this thinking might be useful.

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I was on a panel at the always insightful Suits and Spooks conference in Washington DC last week (it's an eclectic mix of IC pros and cybersecurity execs from around the world). It was lots of fun. The topic of discussion on my panel was the title of this post: will the world be safer or more dangerous under a Trump presidency?

One of my answers was a simple, synthetic (as opposed to analytic) framework for understanding Trump's foreign policy:

Since WW2, US foreign policy has been completely dominated by national security policy. In fact, it's hard to imagine a US policy that doesn't view the world through a militaristic, cold war lens. This means that ALL other aspects of foreign policy are conducted in support of (slaved to) national security policy. In particular, US trade policy is configured to promote the economic growth of allied nations (originally to fight the cold war) even if this trade relationships damages US economic performance.

Trump inverts that policy relationship. In Trump's post cold war world, US foreign policy will be dominated by trade policy. Even national security policy will be subservient to trade policy. If trade policy is dominant, we'll see China, Mexico and the EU (Germany) become competitors. Russia, in contrast will become an ally since it doesn't pose a trade threat.

National security under this regime will be used to reinforce and grow positive trade relationships. For example, military tension with China creates the opportunity for sanctions that simulate the function of tariffs (allowing the US to circumvent trade organizations and domestic resistance to tariffs). In a national security policy slaved to trade, any and all security guarantees extended to other nations will require a positive trade arrangement with the US. The US simply won't protect or extent security guarantees to any nation that has a non-beneficial economic relationship with the US (i.e. runs a trade deficit).

This may or may not be useful to you.

I find it useful since it has proven to be fairly good at predicting where Trump and his bros are careening towards next.

Sincerely,

John Robb

PS: Synthesis works better than analysis in complex, rapidly changing environments like this.

PPS: This trade centric approach suggests growth in naval spending.
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No; that's an isolationist slogan. I'm hoping under President Trump we don't go jumping into every war that comes down the pike. Quitting MATO would be nice, too, so we don't get into trouble for what our friends might do.
quitting this "mato" of yours would just let the russians reingest eastern europe, and then some

i hope you're happy when they cross the pyrénées
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Surely you've got to be that way inclined yourself, mental ill or just incredibly stupid to vote for him. I'm not saying Hillary Clinton is squeaky clean, far from it but if I was an American and had to choose between them, Trump would never be an option for me..

I think stopping a war with Russia is a strong reason. And frankly, enough of the Clinton-Bush junta. There was no frakking Clinton didn't support. And then there is that uranium sale to Russia Clinton pushed through, interestingly that is never discussed in the Clinton media I mean MSM.

Some of the weak sisters here think I voted for Trump because I won't get on my knees and worship Hilary. I voted for Gary Busey/Christopher Walken just like I said I would.
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I'd ask you the same. You can yell into a bucket and get the echo you want to hear.

You must be furious with Brian Eno. C'mon, say something derogatory about Brian Eno expressing his opinion.

“Actually, in retrospect, I’ve started to think I’m pleased about Trump and I’m pleased about Brexit because it gives us a kick up the arse and we needed it because we weren’t going to change anything. Just imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and we’d been business as usual, the whole structure she’d inherited, the whole Clinton family myth. I don’t know that’s a future I would particularly want. It just seems that was grinding slowly to a halt, whereas now, with Trump, there’s a chance of a proper crash, and a chance to really rethink.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-me-reflection
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I'd ask you the same. You can yell into a bucket and get the echo you want to hear.

You must be furious with Brian Eno. C'mon, say something derogatory about Brian Eno expressing his opinion.

“Actually, in retrospect, I’ve started to think I’m pleased about Trump and I’m pleased about Brexit because it gives us a kick up the arse and we needed it because we weren’t going to change anything. Just imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and we’d been business as usual, the whole structure she’d inherited, the whole Clinton family myth. I don’t know that’s a future I would particularly want. It just seems that was grinding slowly to a halt, whereas now, with Trump, there’s a chance of a proper crash, and a chance to really rethink.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-me-reflection

so "exacerbate the contradictions" is what you're saying?

oh, you maoists!
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eating chocolate, smoking pot, sucking toes and realizing that metrosexual is not a retro fad term will cure all of this. let's just start a civil war with eastern Florida and call it the Gulf War II ( the attack on terror continues part/fart IV, V..anyone? all beverly hillbillies are welcomed ).
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If anyone's interested, here's my backup for my statement about possible war with Russia in the form of an earlier post to this thread:


My Worst Fear Comes Closer To Realization: War With Russia
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eating chocolate, smoking pot, sucking toes and realizing that metrosexual is not a retro fad term will cure all of this. let's just start a civil war with eastern Florida and call it the Gulf War II ( the attack on terror continues part/fart IV, V..anyone? all beverly hillbillies are welcomed ).

Actually that would be Western Florida, as Eastern Florida is the Atlantic Coast.
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