[evollove]

The problem is he was an isolationist at the start of the week.

Then he saw photos and had an emotional reaction.

So he asked some war hawks for ideas.

Then, after virtually no reflection, he executed some of the ideas.

This is not leadership. It's not even adult. Ten weeks in, this does not bode well for future foreign policy.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by evollove

The problem is he was an isolationist at the start of the week.

Then he saw photos and had an emotional reaction.

So he asked some war hawks for ideas.

Then, after virtually no reflection, he executed some of the ideas.

This is not leadership. It's not even adult. Ten weeks in, this does not bode well for future foreign policy.

Good post.

[Severian]

I'm afraid to come to this thread anymore. Shit's too fucking real.

Yes, he betrayed campaign promises by attacking Syria. He also betrayed the American people and arguably our own military, as well as foreign allies. There is nothing funny about this. There is no "Orange" joke that will act as a balm for this.

I don't have any words. Are we living with a puppet dictator whose purpose is to be overthrown so something worse can step in? Or is this just how things work now? The president can do essentially anything he likes, and most of his party will stand by because the party line and getting a pro-lifer into the Suoreme Court is more important than anything else?

I'm disgusted.

[ilduclo]

yup. I also think the statement about not needing to remove Assad by Tillerson and Trimp played right into this. Sort of gave free rein. Syria is claiming that an air strike hit a chem weapon site operated by the resistance. I do think that there should be considerable evidence available to show what really happened. I hope that Trimp was able to get reliable evidence before making the move. The timing, at least, was very poor. Condemnation at the UN and provision of evidence to the world would have at least given some rationale for the cruise missles.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by evollove

The problem is he was an isolationist at the start of the week.

Then he saw photos and had an emotional reaction.

So he asked some war hawks for ideas.

Then, after virtually no reflection, he executed some of the ideas.

This is not leadership. It's not even adult. Ten weeks in, this does not bode well for future foreign policy.

this has been a clusterfuck since the start but yes, this is a demonstration of how he malfunctions

expect many more

[tesla69]

they say everything is about sex, per 4/8/17 drudge headline...

TRUMP: I'D HIT ASSAD AGAIN...

[tesla69]

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

.",...email I received this morning from MoveOn.org:.

they're shameless...I imagine kars for kids scammers will start singing about syrian children shortly. "Donate your property or boat so we can help the poor devastated syrian children..."

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”
― Winston S. Churchill

This is like living in Soviet Cuba. NBC took Maddow off the air while the missiles were flying. While Maddow is generally a DNC parrot, she does have admirable antiwar views and would have broken the 'beautiful' narrative. They brought Brian Williams in to quote Leonard Cohen?

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-...assads-regime/
[scroll to the bottom to see the original page screenshot]

[!@#$%!]

just listened to linsday graham ask for 6,000 ground troops in syria and a threat to shoot down the russians

lol lindsay graham

[ilduclo]

Lindsay really wants those troops trooping thru somewhere's closer

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

Lindsay really wants those troops trooping thru somewhere's closer

i can't tell if you're serious or making a joke-- i don't have enough context

please explain?

[ilduclo]

 

[tw2113]

My go-to excuse for Graham and McCain is that war is viagra to them, and they're wanting to get frisky 24-7

[greenlight]

i like tulsi gabbard.

[The Soup Nazi]

Spicer REALLY fucked up today.

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...er=0&t opic=h

[Severian]

Originally Posted by tesla69

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they're shameless...I imagine kars for kids scammers will start singing about syrian children shortly. "Donate your property or boat so we can help the poor devastated syrian children..."

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”
― Winston S. Churchill

This is like living in Soviet Cuba. NBC took Maddow off the air while the missiles were flying. While Maddow is generally a DNC parrot, she does have admirable antiwar views and would have broken the 'beautiful' narrative. They brought Brian Williams in to quote Leonard Cohen?

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-...assads-regime/
[scroll to the bottom to see the original page screenshot]

That was weird with Brian Williams. That was super weird.

"Identity politics" is thrown around as a snowflake term referring to gender and shit, but people are REALLY, LITERALLY contributing to a culture of self-identification through ideology.

Williams wants the world to know he feels all the feels that a good Putin-hating American liberal ... y'know... feels. In this instance, because he's anti-Trump, he's also anti-Putin, so he said his ridiculous, utterly fucking absurd thing to toe the ideological line.

I Fucking hate Trump. I Fucking hate Putin. I tend to be more liberal than conservative, but I still abhor unnecessary violence -- murder, committed for political gain, as proof that Trump isn't in Putin's pocket... I hated it when Obama flexed his military muscle, and I hated it when Bush did. I'm not so wrapped up in "identity politics" (hey, if they can take "fake news," why can't we take their shitty ass words?) that I'm going to just place a stamp of approval on whatever idiotic thing that may publically make me look more like I belong with the group I've chosen.

I.e. looking like I'm the epitome of my political beliefs which no matter what the cost. And, being currently in the minority because I'm a "liberal," defining myself through opposing what "liberals" are not "supposed" to like. --- That's what Williams did, and he made himself look distinctly non-liberal in the process.

It's all about appearance and party allegiance and I think some of the people in the public eye who are saying things that are as off-the -rails stupid as what Williams said are actually quite confused about what they are/aren't "supposed" to think.

Did that make any sense? Symbols? Anyone?

Oh, and Maddow isn't a DNC parrot. She's a liberal and a Democrat, but calling her a "DNC parrot" is not inaccurate and, honestly, I'm not even 100% sure wht you even mean by that.

[The Soup Nazi]

 

7-Inches For Planned Parenthood
The title pretty much says it all.

[The Soup Nazi]

OK, this whole "Russia is so evil for protecting Assad" and "US-Russia relations are at an all-time low" and

 

 

 

coming from Trump & Co. is some of the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BULLSHIT THEATER I've seen in my LIFE. It doesn't just detract attention from the FBI/Senate/House investigation, it directly attacks its point by saying, "See, the Russians and us are perfectly capable of hating each other, so your allegations of collusion are nonsense". If Putin were truly pissed about this shit he'd simply leak the Golden P-Tape...

[Severian]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

OK, this whole "Russia is so evil for protecting Assad" and "US-Russia relations are at an all-time low" and

 

 

 

coming from Trump & Co. is some of the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS BULLSHIT THEATER I've seen in my LIFE. It doesn't just detract attention from the FBI/Senate/House investigation, it directly attacks its point by saying, "See, the Russians and us are perfectly capable of hating each other, so your allegations of collusion are nonsense". If Putin were truly pissed about this shit he'd simply leak the Golden P-Tape...

Duh.

Yeah, it's some flashy misdirection. "Oh, well, Trump upset Russia (supposedly) so clearly there was no connection."

People are buying it too. My liberal friends are saying, "Great, now we're going to war with Russia," and my conservative "friends" are saying "See? Look, nothing suspicious happened because obviously."

It's fucking unbearable. It's all so goddamn stupid, and even major media outlets are helping the narrative along. Newsweek: "Trump isn't in Putin's pocket, but that shouldn't make us feel any better.[/i]

Really? You're sure that he isn't in Putin's pocket because he did something while under investigation for being in Putin's pocket that makes it look like he's not?

Great investigative journalism, assfucks.

[The Soup Nazi]

And, given that he's a sucker for social validation and striking Syria was the first thing he's done since 2011 that hasn't been condemned by "the center", he got plastered on power and today he dropped the next largest thing to a nuke in Afghanistan. Fasten your seatbelts.

[!@#$%!]

what seatbelts?

this is a freefall!