[Decayed Rhapsody]

Karen O and the dude from ARE Weapons (who are these people again?) made me want to gouge my eyes out.

[This Is Not Here]

I heartily agree.

karen o makes me wanna put something else out...

[atsonicpark]

A cigarette on her disgusting face?

[This Is Not Here]

ha ha!!

[batreleaser]

none of those 00's bands are in any way an extention of no wave. Early 90s chicago Noise Rock/No Wave was definitley the bands directly influenced by No Wave. U.S. Maple, the Luttenbachers, Scissor Girls. Lake of Dracula, and others. Boredoms of course took heavy influence from DNA. Harry Pussy have a Teenage Jesus influence. Back in the 80s I cant help but here No Wave in the Butthole Surfers, Big Black, and Flipper. Hell, Minutemen and the Meat Puppets could probably have been No Wave but they happened to like country. I mean, there's millions of bands who are influenced by No Wave. Fuck, any band interested in the combination of sound and noise and drones with rock n roll, well, that's a band influenced by No Wave. So the point of this rambling? This documentary is misinformed, poorly presented, and demonstrates no knowledge about this music. It could have been improved if they decided to take the focus off New York. Maybe have done an American Hardcore thing, breaking it down Geographically AND Chronologically. Started with Glam Rock (all over), then on to Cleveland Art Rock (Pere Ubu) then New York No Wave, then Sonic Youth/Swans, then how those bands spread art experimentalism into underground rock, then chicago no wave, then providence noise rock, and then Michican Noise/bulb records scene. Well, maybe I will make that dvd some day.

[atsonicpark]

Exactly.

I can't see any no wave in any of the "new generation" of bands they listed whatsoever. Very idiotic doc -- and that was, like, the main focus of the documentary!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by batreleaser

none of those 00's bands are in any way an extention of no wave. Early 90s chicago Noise Rock/No Wave was definitley the bands directly influenced by No Wave. U.S. Maple, the Luttenbachers, Scissor Girls. Lake of Dracula, and others. Boredoms of course took heavy influence from DNA. Harry Pussy have a Teenage Jesus influence. Back in the 80s I cant help but here No Wave in the Butthole Surfers, Big Black, and Flipper. Hell, Minutemen and the Meat Puppets could probably have been No Wave but they happened to like country. I mean, there's millions of bands who are influenced by No Wave. Fuck, any band interested in the combination of sound and noise and drones with rock n roll, well, that's a band influenced by No Wave. So the point of this rambling? This documentary is misinformed, poorly presented, and demonstrates no knowledge about this music. It could have been improved if they decided to take the focus off New York. Maybe have done an American Hardcore thing, breaking it down Geographically AND Chronologically. Started with Glam Rock (all over), then on to Cleveland Art Rock (Pere Ubu) then New York No Wave, then Sonic Youth/Swans, then how those bands spread art experimentalism into underground rock, then chicago no wave, then providence noise rock, and then Michican Noise/bulb records scene. Well, maybe I will make that dvd some day.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE MAN, PARAGRAPHS.

[atsonicpark]

Haha. I like batreleaser's posting style. Seems very stream-of-conscious yet focused. Like a Dennis Leary type.. never stops to take a breath or relax. Very interesting.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Haha. I like batreleaser's posting style. Seems very stream-of-conscious yet focused. Like a Dennis Leary type.. never stops to take a breath or relax. Very interesting.

He's put your posts into repose, that's for sure. Stream-of-consciousness or [faux-] muso-diarrhoea?

Obviously, the proviso is that any of my posts be ignored, I'm a smidge drunk and in a shit mood.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by batreleaser

Sonic Youth actually owes a lot to No Wave as a movement and thier early music holds very close to the No Wave aesthetic; uncompromising, non-commerical, artistic, dark, atonal, lack of melody, saying to to struture, etc.. No Wave as a very diverse and small scene, none of those bands sound similar other than use of Volume and Noise, but to say thier sound owes nothing to them is absurd. Lee and Thurston learned experimental guitar technique from Glenn Branca, one of the key No Wave players, and if Thurston had not gotten into No Wave, he might've been in bands like the Coachwhips forever. Without Suicide and the Voioids there would have been no DNA or Teenage Jesus, without Teenage Jesus and DNA, most likely no Sonic Youth or Swans. Sorry folks, nothing comes out of thin air, everything in this world is the cause of some ever present effect. No Wave may have seemed like it came out of nowhere, but Noise and Harmolodics and Atonality being incorprated into Rock N Roll was no new idea.

Sure, I obviously wasn't saying that Sonic Youth weren't influenced by No Wave. That would be a statement completely ignorant of the band I've been following heavily for a quarter century.

What I was getting at is that it's quite possible to be influenced by Sonic Youth without having that be the portion of their sound that comes from No Wave. The Yeah Yeah Yeahs certainly have some SY influences, like many, many groups out there, but they are primarily post Daydream Nation influences. That's not No Wave, it's indie rock!

I realize you and I are in agreement on that point, I just wanted to clarify that I, like 90% of everybody on this board am fully aware of the debt that Sonic Youth's music owes to No Wave. For one thing, Branca's first band Theoretical Girls was part of the No Wave scene, so the lineage is pretty direct.

[pbradley]

I don't care about who is or is not influenced by No Wave. It has no baring as to whether a band is worth listening to or not.

[atsonicpark]

Either way, the bands coverd in the doc (after the first 20 minutes) are awful except Liars who are usually pretty mediocre..

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I don't care about who is or is not influenced by No Wave. It has no baring as to whether a band is worth listening to or not.

I'm right there with you, but it really should have bearing on whether or not a band is included in a so-called No Wave documentary!

[Pookie]

But do you want no wave or do you want da yoof?

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by Pookie

But do you want no wave or do you want da yoof?

Huh?

[atsonicpark]

Minutemen.

I watched WE JAM ECONO last night. I liked that documentary way more than this one, haha..

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

Huh?

Tanita Tikaram told me to say that.

I said nobody would get it and it's a lame joke anyway (or 'anyways' as you dumb Americans would say).

But she said she'd stop singing and make me supper if I said it.

[atsonicpark]

But I got it.

Then again, I am nobody.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

I'm right there with you, but it really should have bearing on whether or not a band is included in a so-called No Wave documentary!

What I'm saying is that "influenced by No Wave" shouldn't have been included at all. Who gives a fuck?

Eventually it just feels like the documentary was made by an overzealous Liars fan trying to build some imaginary legacy.