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Old 09.02.2011, 10:49 PM   #21
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now i was thinking about that turtle ............................
if the magneticfield of the earth changes
can this turtle still navigate or will it be disorientated?
or can it use something else to navigate?

to analyse these questions
-you have to know if there a cycles in magnetisme
for example: that 25 years the magneticfield pionts to northpole and then for 25 years this pionts to the southpole, and this in those cycles

then the turle would have (during X- years evolution) it's navigation systems adapted for that 25 year cycle of magnetic change
the turle has no problem with the magnetic field change

or it can navigate on something else

this also made me think............
of the satellite that is or is going to be in orbit for the measurments of magnetic fields
and other satellites to follow a hurricane like irene
makes technology usefull to survive
in a sort of climate change created by wrong use of technology

so you can start a discussion about that and how the species that have made those technology are using it and what the effect is on the specie

for example: einstein E=mc˛
he gets recognition, a golden medal in the sience kinda way
then the a-bom is there
then someone makes a nucliar reactor, gets a golden medal
a proud nation, proud to be modern ect.

chernobil explodes, people who have nothing to do with the nucliar plant have to sacrifice themselfs to clean the mess
today it's still not clean
not to speak about other nucliar bom testing zones

when things go wrong the specie doesn't take responsibility

the specie likes to have a golden medal and continue these modernizations
without looking at the selfdestruction this causes for future generations

modernization selfdestruction by intelligence?
or does the sapian need to adapt it's modernization in function of future generations?

ofcourse it has to
the future generations still needs clean water, air and food
as other land animals

so a specie clims out of the trees and starts to walk
it develops some tools and during X time it can do alot with those tools

if the specie makes questions and thoughts inside it's brain
this doesn't mean that the specie has changed the reality of the universe
everthing is still the same as the specie lived in the trees

because a specie makes a tool it doesn't mean it changes reality of things or objects

i make a tool (spaceship) > fly to mars > come back to earth
a tree is still a tree
a horse is still a horse
water is still water

nothing in the universe is changed

people can philosophize about things till the end of it's short life
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Old 09.03.2011, 06:36 AM   #22
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i see it as a fundamental core of reclaiming krispy kreme metaphangals without recourse to 'suppressed narratives' of floppy, flippy and flappy, a 'properly' atheist outlook that doesn't even admit the possibility of floppy, flippy and flappy (unlike dawkins, honey). object centered philosowangals are kind of a way of talking about 'the real-ass bitch' (ah sh*t) without re-recourse to the kind of metaphangal jumps that bumbledumble criticises krispy kreme four. it's possibly not as volatabulous an atheism as dawkins honey, butt much? much stronger? to my mind it removes even the possibility of the ism entering the dia(ss)lo(l)gue, vernacular, semi(er)otic or suppressed predicates of a general metaphysiculation.

hamilton-ramilton? great (first translator of leopard - gggrrrrrr!), as is meill(ass)oux, but i'm unsure about the others, and a patchy patch is really, really patchy.
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Old 09.04.2011, 02:35 PM   #23
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it's all best descibed as a dog that is turning circels to catch it's own tail

the humanshaped evolutoin came down from the tree
develloped walking and running
develloped tools
these tools give correct information of building blocks of life

the humanshaped evolution still can adapt to return to live in the trees
flexibilty of evolution in peace with the modern information

or adapt to live on another planet

modern information freed the humanshaped evolution
from beeing a dog that turns circels to grab it's own tail
the human had during evolution a tail
like many treeclimers

so while reading this from behind your computer
this text is about 50 cm away from your reptile brain

and i'm not interested in you reading this
i just look at the stars
at the infinite universe like a treeclimer and debrainwash
so i can speak to you out of my sterilized brain
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Old 09.04.2011, 04:02 PM   #24
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the reason why i say this is that we know soo much

from the skincells on your toe that renew
to your heart that pumps oxygene to your brain
to the human body in the 3D scan that can be vieuwed towards the smallest detail

from eco-systems of nature to the water on mars
after the human has gatherd all that information it can

life is sterilized from information pollution
humans who are then still looking for answers or god
can't be helped
they are the dogs that want to bite in their own tail

why ?

because the focus of human
it keeps looking for something
even if there is all this modern information

sometime in your life you need to be carefull with having a focus
don't let it become a tunnel you walk into and endlessly keep walking in

the brain focus of modern humans today, in the modern sience, are
on dark matter, quantum fysics, higgs particle, big bang..

the brain focus of religious people is the nextlife
the day that they gonna meet GOD

i had no real focus during my life
been interested in modern information and visuals
after swimming through that

it helped me to understand more of life
it has had it function
now that is over

when evolution don't need something it shakes it off
like humans shaked of their bodyhair

so don't get lost in a focus
there is nothing in the infinite universe

what happens inside the bioactivity of an evolution created species brain
is only real there if it believes it itself ( the brain that believe it)

so..
if i inside the bioactivity of my brain think there is a dinosaur
in my garden

then that can only be in my brain

or if i think that in recent born child, the soul of my grandmother is landed

then that can be only in my brain

so the only thing that can be real

is oxygene going to your brain

like it's doing since the transformation from sea animal to land animal

there is still nothing in the infinite universe

welcome to the future
welcome in the universe of the modern human
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Old 09.04.2011, 05:54 PM   #25
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with a more simple use of words

i mean
that the oxygene in my brain is real
my brain itself is real
the brain of other specie is real
planet earth is real
mars is real
the landrover on mars is real
all stars, black holes, galaxies are real
the movement of the expanding of the universe is real

and that is the happening you experience in a 1 cycle lifeform functioning on bio-activity

if all sapians die out, lets say tommorow
like the dinosaurs has died out

all other species with or without brain
are still in this universe
where earth is real, mars is real, the expanding of the universe is real ect.

i can't explain it much more clearer then this
in what is real
and what is not real
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Old 09.04.2011, 06:54 PM   #26
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true nature & creul nature

a mother with child go trough the woods
a bear comes and kills the child and eat it
this "we" or the mother calls creul

a mother sheap (<spellings mistake, just for the fun of it ( a cheap mother?? where??) and her lamb are eating grass in a field
a human comes and kills and eats the lamb
this "we" call tasty meat
the acceptable order of predator and prey (intelligent or not isn't the issue) is the true nature of evolution in function of surviving

1 sapian brain is for 100 years active and then it dies naturally
is that cruel?

a glapagos turtle can become 300 years

now lets go to all sapian DNA from 1800-1899
they are all dead (only the +111 years old sapians DNA who are still alive today)
all DNA from 1900-1999
most of them are still alive (like me ofcourse), large populations that are old aged + overpopulation
all DNA from 2000-2099
some are born, others are on their way

so a galapagos turtle is born in 1800 and dies in 2100

all the sapians from 1800-1999 are dead in 2100

1 sapien lives and dies for about the natural*life*time it has

is it cruel that i'm going to die?
no, it's a natural happening
nothing more

creating a thought of a superpower GOD in your brain
isn't changing the natural happenings of bacteria origin lifeforms

the turte has been on earth 300 years
swimming and eating
true nature

sapians kneel and pray and warship other sapians, a fictive power or object
an untrue nature
an un real nature

only the sapian animal is acting strange , unnatural
(not all sapians kneel, pray and warship ONLY 6.000.000.000 of them)

i'm here 34 years
walking and eating
and when i'm 100 years i have no bio-activity in my brain
a natural happening
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Old 09.04.2011, 07:07 PM   #27
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with other words

a sapian that goes into the dessert
and believes that when he is thirsty
a god is gonna come down from the clouds and give him a glass of water
is out of true nature reality

it's gonna die like all other animals would die in the dessert without water

information pollution is not an evolutionary advantage
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Old 09.05.2011, 06:41 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by gast30
with a more simple use of words

i mean
that the oxygene in my brain is real
my brain itself is real
the brain of other specie is real
planet earth is real
mars is real
the landrover on mars is real
all stars, black holes, galaxies are real
the movement of the expanding of the universe is real

and that is the happening you experience in a 1 cycle lifeform functioning on bio-activity

if all sapians die out, lets say tommorow
like the dinosaurs has died out

all other species with or without brain
are still in this universe
where earth is real, mars is real, the expanding of the universe is real ect.

i can't explain it much more clearer then this
in what is real
and what is not real

From what I can gather, the point of speculative realism isn't to question the existence of the real but our ability to perceive it.
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Old 09.05.2011, 09:42 AM   #29
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From what I can gather, the point of speculative realism isn't to question the existence of the real but our ability to perceive it.
that is a good formulation, sounds very wise, thanks 666

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