[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by Green Magnesium

I'm pretty much at that point. I seriously cannot get into any of the "noise" artists that have been recommended to me.

Merzbow, Wolf Eyes, Boredoms, Nurse with Wound... are either downright unbearable (former two) or uninteresting (latter two).

That's probably why it bugs me so much when people describe bands like Mars, Sonic Youth or DNA as "noise", when they're really just noise-y. The same people would probably have an aneurism if they ever actually heard real "noise."

Boredoms and Nurse with Wound are for the most part significantly less noisy most of the time than Mars or DNA. Boredoms and Nurse with Wound are both more psychedelic than anything.

Who the hell calls Sonic Youth noise? Aside from the Silver Sessions and a few tracks here and there (mostly collaborations) that's just ridiculous. Even Confusion is Sex is more rock than noise.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by afterthefact

Well I guess we all hear what we want to hear, but it does pretty much all sound the same.

No, I frequently hear things I don't want to hear. That's an integral part of life.

What you are saying is that it all sounds the same to you. I'd probably say the same thing about people speaking Chinese, but to people who know the language, directions to the bus stop don't sound like romantic poetry.

Originally Posted by afterthefact

I don't mean that you can't maybe pick out one record that you really like over all of the others, but, unlike other bands with large discographies (i.e. Sonic Youth), you couldn't listen to a "song" off of each record and list for each the album it was from. At least I couldn't. Maybe you are magic, who knows.

I wouldn't be able to do that with Wolf Eyes, because I don't know their records that well. I'm certain a Wolf Eyes fan probably could do it though. I can do it with the Cocteau Twins and to somebody not familiar with them, you often hear their music all sounds the same. I've actually heard the claim leveled against Sonic Youth a fair amount too, though yes, songs with lyrics make it easier to identify them than songs without.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

What you are saying is that it all sounds the same to you. I'd probably say the same thing about people speaking Chinese, but to people who know the language, directions to the bus stop don't sound like romantic poetry.

Repped.

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

songs with lyrics make it easier to identify them than songs without.

except you know, classical music...

[Derek]

Dead-Air kicks ass once again.

[atsonicpark]

Boredoms are an uninteresting noise artist?

What album(s) did you hear?

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

except you know, classical music...

No, I think songs with lyrics are significantly easier to identify than classical music as well. The average person couldn't tell you whether a given classical piece was by one composer or another, let alone which recording it was from. Of course a classical music aficionado could probably listen to a little bit and tell you which composer, orchestra, when it was recorded and who conducted. But that's because they know the language well.

[atsonicpark]

Ugh, lyrics.

[batreleaser]

I Like SLICER a lot. I also Like Mugger, Burned Mind, Black Vomit w/Braxton, Dead Hills, Human Animal, Dread, The Beast w/ Smegma, tons of live cdr's. Shit, I also love nunmerous records by Demons, Graveyards, Dilloway, Dead Machines, and damn near the rest of thier projects. I know I'm going to lose points for this, but to me, easily one of the best bands in America now, and have been for a while. And they have released perfect songs, all thier full lengths almost have them (except for nmaybe the first s/t). They just like ton release everything, they feel the bad stuff has just as much place as being heard as the good stuff. I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I'm sure it has more to do with well documenting the history of the band then anything, or the fact that thier casettes keep thier extremly small labels alive.

They are a Noise band that has just suffered from overexposure, but as far as three talented guys into tons of different styes of music, infusing a love of Dub, Hardcore, Black Metal, and early Industrial all into thier eclectic blend of Noise, how can you go wrong>

Originally Posted by batreleaser

They are a Noise band that has just suffered from overexposure, but as far as three talented guys into tons of different styes of music, infusing a love of Dub, Hardcore, Black Metal, and early Industrial all into thier eclectic blend of Noise, how can you go wrong>

??????

[atsonicpark]

I have heard well over 100 Wolf Eyes releases... I was pretty fanatical about them at some point and had a notepad file on my computer with a list of every album I'd heard and every album I still needed to hear. At some point, probably around hearing HELLOWEEN HOLOCAUSTS (which is over 2 hours of halloween "scary sounds" tapes through distortion pedals; funny stuff, but........), I lost interest big time. They're not consistent, and some of their releases are absolutely AWFUL.

The thing is, some of their releases are pretty damn decent! They often will stumble onto something really interesting. I think all their "big" releases are worth checking out (except, as batrelease noted, the self-titled album, which mostly doesn't even sound like them anyway); Dead Hills, Slicer, Burned Mind, etc. The only one I LOVE, though, is the Black Vomit collab. I agree with them wanting to document the evolution of their band and so on, and there's nothing wrong with that; plenty of bands do that... but by exercising no quality control whatsoever, they've pretty much made it impossible to separate the good from the bad. And even hardcore Wolf Eyes fans -- I knew a guy from Michigan who owned or had CD-R copies of every release ever up to 2005 -- seem to admit that half of their discography is, well... uh... inconsistent. I will say, though, that judging from the albums I've heard that they've released in the past few years (they seem to be releasing less stuff nowadays), I think they're actually kinda getting better. Can't say that about most noise groups.

.....They're definitely an important noise band, but I think their side and related projects are actually usually more interesting than Wolf Eyes themselves. I dunno. A lot of their releases usually just fall into the "oh, that's cool that they did that; they just rubbed a microphone against a cinder block and put it through 3 flanger pedals at different settings" for me. Conceptually interesting stuff but doesn't really make me ever want to break it out again.

Except Black Vomit. That's the one.

[atsonicpark]

Actually, the biggest problem with Wolf Eyes is this quote by John Olson: "You know, we’re probably about fifteen percent songs, seventy-five percent bad mood, and five percent, whatever, composition or whatever."

Haha.

[noisereductions]

SLICER really is good, though. Yeah.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

SLICER really is good, though. Yeah.

What makes you say so? (To throw your original question back in your face!)

[atsonicpark]

Haha.

Cuz it fuckin slices, man!

Good Noise = Daniel Menche

Bad Noise = Kylie Minoise

[atsonicpark]

Good noise = white noise
Bad noise = brown noise
Okay noise = pink noise

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

What makes you say so? (To throw your original question back in your face!)

Well the stuff I like on SLICER isn't noise per se. It's tape "slices" and loops.

[atsonicpark]

Well, explore more "noise" like that then!!

[noisereductions]

what's yr new avatar, sir?