[touch me i'm sick]

my cousin jsut joined the isreali army

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

If you're too scared to pick a side, you're obviously a very weak and indecisive person. People of worthwhile opinions group themselves with other people of similar or not-so-similar-but-somehow-linked opinions. That's how real men roll. And politically empowered women.

That's total bullshit and it doesn't say anything about men and women at all .Random political statement.It wont raise to anymore interesting stuff that i decide it should be because i say so.Duh!

[Sonic Youth 37]

Give it a time and it will subside. Every major religion has a period of militant warfare. Christianity had the Crusades, Islam has now, Judaism is always fighting with someone and always will be.

[Bastian]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

Like people didn't get there before you did.

Sure they did, and I`m glad about that.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Bastian

Sure they did, and I`m glad about that.

Vague.

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

That's total bullshit and it doesn't say anything about men and women at all .Random political statement.It wont raise to anymore interesting stuff that i decide it should be because i say so.Duh!

Just in case, I was being sarcastic. Not sure if it came off like that or not.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

Just in case, I was being sarcastic. Not sure if it came off like that or not.

no.

[Bastian]

Well, I`m taking sides in this conflict, with the side that made contributions to peace.. Isreal. Sadly, the palestine authorities and militant groups in Lebanon are not interested in peace and keep on fighting to destroy the jewish state. Every try for a peaceful solution has sabotaged by them in the sixty year long struggle.

[acousticrock87]

Israel wants land, and they do technically have rights to it, but Palestinians already live there. While I side with Israel, you can't just say "leave." It's a pretty messed up situation, and extremists don't make it any easier. I really don't think there will be an end to it in my lifetime, if ever.

[Bastian]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

Israel wants land, and they do technically have rights to it, but Palestinians already live there. While I side with Israel, you can't just say "leave." It's a pretty messed up situation, and extremists don't make it any easier. I really don't think there will be an end to it in my lifetime, if ever.

The 1948 UN resolution spoke out for a two state solution, but Arab side didn´t agree and tried instead to drive the jews into the sea.. every since, arab and palestinian side wasn`t interested in any peaceful solution that would accept the state of Israel. They still want that country destroyed, and palestinian side proves to be inable to run a peaceful state, or fight it`s militant organizations. Gaza drawback didn´t help either, and an Israeli draw back from west bank won´t either, I guess.. as long as militants are unable to accept the legitimacy of Israel, peace won`t happen. The whole conflict is pretty fucked up.. I have no idea how it could be resolved, as long as fanatics aren´t fought by palestinian or lebanese authorities..

[acousticrock87]

Ya, the main problem in my eyes is that the militaries and governments are making stupid choices concerning civilians, when it's the civilians who deserve the peace. If it were just about the governments, I'd say the Arabs have screwed themselves over and are getting too greedy, so they should just get out. But it isn't. It's about the innocent Palestinian civilians, most of whom have done nothing wrong. I can't feel the same way about them that I do about their government, so there is no way out that I can see. However the election of Hamas was not encouraging.

[Cantankerous]

the israelis coexisting peacefully with the rest of the middle east would be ideal, and if it could really happen (it can't) i would be all for it.

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by acousticrock87

If you're too scared to pick a side, you're obviously a very weak and indecisive person.

Taking sides is an easy way out and it won't resolve the conflict.
It's sad that the civilian population, who only want a good future in a peaceful environment, are caught up in the crossfire of war criminals on all sides.

 

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

Taking sides is an easy way out and it won't resolve the conflict.
It's sad that the civilian population, who only want a good future in a peaceful environment, are caught up in the crossfire of war criminals on all sides.

 

Now,there's some sense spoken there.

[jon boy]

it breeds militants on both sides. to be perfectly honest i really dont see an end to this conflict in my lifetime.

[Cantankerous]

porque? PORQUE!!?!?!

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

porque? PORQUE!!?!?!

??????

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

porque? PORQUE!!?!?!

I wouldn't know either, guapa.

[jon boy]

its all a mystery to me man.

[chabib]

hamas and hezbollah both have popular support because of their successful efforts to bring medical care, food, community programs and a militia that acts in lieu of a standing army unfettered by american dictates. it's no surprise that hamas was elected.

most arabs don't want israel pushed into the sea, but they'd certainly like for israel to release all of the tax money they've stolen from palestinians. they'd like for all of the illegal settlements to be destroyed. they'd like to not have their land carved up into little islands separated by settlements and protected highways for the IDF and settlers.

as an occupying force, israel has responsibilities established in a number of treaties. occupying forces are not allowed to build settlements. they're not allowed to destroy homes. they're supposed to ensure the well-being of the occupied population and assist in the maintenance of infrastructure, etc.

the israeli government is a massively whiney, greedy, illicit turd and it needs to be re-organized from the ground up--as does the american government.

the UN and brits essentially created israel, and neither entity can even stoop to support the behavior of the country's government as of late. it should say something that in the entire world community, only the US is standing by the israeli government right now.

to me, that says that people far more politically savvy than any of us believe that the israeli government is wrong and that the only entity that finds any merit in its present course of action is a paranoid, delusional bully like the US.