[HaydenAsche]

Why would you get your ass kicked for writing a shitty post with no point for anyone to even get pissed about?

[strictlycommercial]

As far as I can see SY are a band that have changed very little musically over their career. There have been no head-scratching changes of musical direction, no country/electro/p-funk albums. Some have been softer, some heavier, some poppier, some more abrasive but essentially the same shtick.

But for me that's not really a problem. I love the way they sound, I love how they play their guitars and how they sing. That's not to say I'm against them trying something new, just that as long as the songs are good and they dont sound contrived or bored I'll be happy.

[HaydenAsche]

So, CSI/KYI and Rather Ripped are the same shtick?

Moron.

[zedius]

I always thought I'd like to hear an acapella sy album with lots of awesome lip buzzing and beat boxing.

[strictlycommercial]

Those are the extremes, but I wouldn't say they're as far from each other as you'd think.
Have a listen to the albums from Bad Moon Rising on and you'll probably find more constants than differences.

[ted_kennedy]

I swear, this board is so much worse because of Haydenasche. He just spews this hate in virtually everypost. get lost loser.

Back to the subject: thats a v good point Genetic. I never thought of it like that before. Maybe i should give more SYR releases more listening time, maybe id find some more experimental SY there.

[HaydenAsche]

My seniority over you is overwhelming, dear. Don't tell me to get lost. I can do as I please.

[HaydenAsche]

But, getting back to the topic. I agree more than anyone that Sonic Youth is stale. Rather Ripped was a TERRIBLE album. I don't think they should even attempt not being stale, though. It might suck too bad.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by ted_kennedy

I swear, this board is so much worse because of Haydenasche. He just spews this hate in virtually everypost. get lost loser.

Back to the subject: thats a v good point Genetic. I never thought of it like that before. Maybe i should give more SYR releases more listening time, maybe id find some more experimental SY there.

This is an example of something useless being said today around the world.There are 1 trillion useless things said every minute from Canada to Mongolia and this is one of them.If you stare at the post above for more than five seconds it might give you a migraine and you'll probably have to take some painkillers to alleviate the pain and the discomfort.Don't tell me that i didn't warn you.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads

wow
Haven´t noticed that before
I was thinking about getting the "On tour with neubauten" dvd but 28 Euros is just to much for me and i also heard it´s not really worth the money.

Bought the "1/2 Mensch" DVD some time ago - now that is what i call
worth the money

That's because it's directed by the awesome dude Sogo Ishii. I haven't seen it but I really want to.

[GeneticKiss]

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche

Why would you get your ass kicked for writing a shitty post with no point for anyone to even get pissed about?

What I really mean is that now that the band has another avenue to express themselves, they can put all the experimental, noisy stuff on the SYRs, while putting the more mellow, mainstream stuff on the Geffen releases, to keep the label happy. You might remember that Geffen once sued Neil Young for not sounding enough like Neil Young, and tried to kick Carlos Santana out of Santana. I don't know that SY are a huge cash cow for Geffen, but if SY suddenly became "noncommerical" in their eyes, they might get a little pissed.

So what I was basically saying is that the balance between melody and noise and innovation was lost when Sonic Youth realized the freedom they have not needing to satisfy "commerical demand"...they get their experimenting out on the SYRs, while largely sticking to formula on the major releases, and that I think the band's major releases would be more interesting if they didn't have the SYRs.

[ted_kennedy]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

This is an example of something useless being said today around the world.There are 1 trillion useless things said every minute from Canada to Mongolia and this is one of them.If you stare at the post above for more than five seconds it might give you a migraine and you'll probably have to take some painkillers to alleviate the pain and the discomfort.Don't tell me that i didn't warn you.

This is an example of something useless being said about something useless. In more words than are necessary.

RR was a good album, best since Murray. Incinerate is one of the best SY songs. Pink steam and reena are v good too.

[greenlight]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Whatever

I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this one, but after having heard some of the SYR stuff I think that the real "problem" is that it's allowed them to polarize themselves...

Okay, think of it like this, artists often engage in solo projects becuz they want to express themselves in ways that wouldn't suit their "main" band...with the SYR series, SY basically have become their own side project, putting out noisy, experimental discs for the SYRs and keeping more mainstream-friendly music for their major label releases...

I'll post more later becuz I'm out of break time..

exactly.

ted_kennedy, start to explore band memebers solo projects. so much different stuff compare sy's proper albums.

[scott v]

Originally Posted by ted_kennedy

I've thought of SY as the most innovative band I know of for a long time now, but it just hit me that, recently, they haven't been that innovative. Yeah, their music sounds like no one else's, but its still sounded the same for a long, long time.

What Im getting at is that Id like to see a SY album WITHOUT guitars. They should just trade all their guitars in for some MPCs, drum machines, synths, etc, and try and make something entirely new. I can say in all honesty that I would REALLY anticipate hearing an album like that, and who can say that about the more recent SY albums (as decent as they are).

I think some of the stuff they did on the Whitey album was very interesting and its a shame they didnt go down that avenue with their later stuff.

Who's with me?

this is a laughable concept at best i mean have you ever heard of the group Kraftwerk? they'd hardly be innovative if they went this route...as such this idea is a failure.

[scott v]

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Whatever

I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this one, but after having heard some of the SYR stuff I think that the real "problem" is that it's allowed them to polarize themselves...

Okay, think of it like this, artists often engage in solo projects becuz they want to express themselves in ways that wouldn't suit their "main" band...with the SYR series, SY basically have become their own side project, putting out noisy, experimental discs for the SYRs and keeping more mainstream-friendly music for their major label releases...

I'll post more later becuz I'm out of break time..

i can't disagree with you on this because i sorta feel the same way. i mean there is a definite difference on how the band conveys itself musically in 2006 versus say 1985, bad moon rising arguably is their most experimentally challenging album using collages of tape sounds within their "rock" format... it be a stretch to see them release another record as their main effort along those lines again.

[hirsute_biped]

back when they got their gear stolen i wondered if they would revert to the bad moon era practise of using the tapes on stage between songs in order to retune the guitars. i don't think they had so many guitars back then, so they had to retune between songs. might have lead to more interesting stuff. yeah, i think the combination of SYRs and gear theft marked a change in the band. not necessarily good or bad, just different. also, i don't mind if they mellow out a bit with age. it happens. deal with it. let the young dudes act like young dudes. they will follow whatever path they want, and i doubt it will be a re-enactment of their early days, or driven by marketing, etc...

[PAULYBEE2656]

couldnt have put it better myself sway. sy have had and still do have 100% control of their output. they play and record what they feel like and ok so what, rather ripped isnt the greatest sy album ever, and even we are getting complaints (we as in the sy community here on the bbs) about the destroyed room. it seems to me that if sy decided to go right back and play and record shit like confusion and bad moon again people will accuse them of "clinging on to their past" and tell them to "grow up and mature and act their age".

its getting boring this sy fans bashing sy. they have been going for a quarter of a century now, they have released umpteen records, hundreds if you count their solo and side shit. they embrace a wealth of diverse styles and genres. their music evolves more and more and grows like them. it seems sy have simply outgrown most of their fanbase who still wish dearly for sy to bring out another daydream or another evol.... well IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN! quit living in the past fuckers because sooner rather than later sy will end and what will you complain about........

whinge whinge whinge whinge

[sonicl]

Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656

couldnt have put it better myself sway. sy have had and still do have 100% control of their output. they play and record what they feel like and ok so what, rather ripped isnt the greatest sy album ever, and even we are getting complaints (we as in the sy community here on the bbs) about the destroyed room. it seems to me that if sy decided to go right back and play and record shit like confusion and bad moon again people will accuse them of "clinging on to their past" and tell them to "grow up and mature and act their age".

its getting boring this sy fans bashing sy. they have been going for a quarter of a century now, they have released umpteen records, hundreds if you count their solo and side shit. they embrace a wealth of diverse styles and genres. their music evolves more and more and grows like them. it seems sy have simply outgrown most of their fanbase who still wish dearly for sy to bring out another daydream or another evol.... well IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN! quit living in the past fuckers because sooner rather than later sy will end and what will you complain about........

whinge whinge whinge whinge

Amen. Repped.

[PAULYBEE2656]

2-1 rep back at you

[transmogrifier]

I swear, half of this board don't even like Sonic Youth, and instead are in the middle of some sort of cyber-space performance art, seeing how much bollocks they can spout out from under the guise of a fan before they are called on said bollocks. It's sweet, in a way, that they put so much time and energy into a band they dislike so much. Dedicated to their art.