[Screaming Skull]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I do think Kim is an overtly political figure but I'd say the others largely fall into the same standard liberal category that applies to most 'creatives'. But it's always felt more meaningful for Kim, especially in relation to feminist politics, from early songs like Flower, her becoming a kind of figurehead for Riot Grrl, onto later songs like 'Swimsuit Issue', etc. A few songs aside, I would've never described SY as a political band in the 80s but I do think it became more of a focus from the 90s onwards, when Kim's profile and influence within the band started to increase.

As for whether it's an oxymoron for a SY fan to even contemplate voting for Trump, I'd say it depends what attracted them to the band in the 1st place. If they're more into stuff like 'Female Mechanic' then it probably is. Less so if they're more about stuff like DV69.

See, a nice level-headed post devoid of words like 'moron', 'dolt', or 'chud'. SY's musical dynamics are what originally attracted me to the band in 1991. The music - combined with mysteriously poetic lyrics and themes - were/are an undeniable combination for me. Sonic Youth will always be my all-time favorite band. If I dismissed bands/art based on liberal leanings I wouldn't have ANYTHING to listen to. I like the punk aesthetic of deriving energy and inspiration from rebellion...fighting the machine...and/or rallying against "the man". However, in practice, I believe that capitalism and small government serve more people than socialism and big government. By no means is it perfect, but I don't know of a better model.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

See, a nice level-headed post devoid of words like 'moron', 'dolt', or 'chud'.

ah, yes... if we only had a president who could tweet like that!

maga chuds will be maga chuds

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ah, yes... if we only had a president who could tweet like that!

maga chuds will be maga chuds

Zing!

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

See, a nice level-headed post devoid of words like 'moron', 'dolt', or 'chud'. SY's musical dynamics are what originally attracted me to the band in 1991. The music - combined with mysteriously poetic lyrics and themes - were/are an undeniable combination for me. Sonic Youth will always be my all-time favorite band. If I dismissed bands/art based on liberal leanings I wouldn't have ANYTHING to listen to. I like the punk aesthetic of deriving energy and inspiration from rebellion...fighting the machine...and/or rallying against "the man". However, in practice, I believe that capitalism and small government serve more people than socialism and big government. By no means is it perfect, but I don't know of a better model.

Everything that trump isn't?

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

[...] If I dismissed bands/art based on liberal leanings I wouldn't have ANYTHING to listen to. I like the punk aesthetic of deriving energy and inspiration from rebellion...fighting the machine...and/or rallying against "the man". However, in practice, I believe that capitalism and small government serve more people than socialism and big government. [...]

This is like one of those Giuliani interviews in which he voluntarily admitted he was guilty as accused.

You would have loved being next to me in the front row at a Lee Ranaldo show before the last mid-terms, in which, during "Thrown Over The Wall" and with all his brain, heart, soul, and voice, he shouted, "Let's flip these houses and kick these fuckers OUT!"

Please wear your MAGA hat if you go see any of them.

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Anyway, in more Trump news. Twitter has finally decided to call him out on his constant lies and included a fact check warning on a post about mail voting. He's not liking this at all and saying it's impeding his free speech (it isn't) and threatening to close down Twitter (he can't).

Been overdue for Twitter to do it.

But twitter decides to take this action six months prior to the November election. From six months shy of Donald Trump winning the 2016 election and this is the week Twitter decides to fact check???

Why not worry about fact checking two or four years ago??

Could it be the upcoming election......are the liberals and Democrats are applying too much pressure?

Mail-in ballots are a legitimate policy dispute!

There are reasons every State doesn’t use mail-in ballots, there are reasons our Country refuses to fully use electronic voting......online voting......there are reasons why!

Just think of all the college students enrolled to vote in the state of their University, but are no longer living in that state because the Universities are closed and the students returned home. How do states know where to send those ballots?

In previous years when by bipartisan groups have been assembled to address these worries, it was the conclusion that absentee ballots posed the greatest threat for possible violations.

Then when you factor the possibility of the United States Postal Service going bankrupt this Summer......who would oversee the delivery of these ballots? Even if the USPS doesn’t go under, there are major delays and other legitimate reasons why mail-in ballots shouldn’t be considered!

So President Trump weighs in on a policy issue:

“ Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen. We saw what they attempted to do, and failed, in 2016. We can’t let a more sophisticated version of that....

....happen again. Just like we can’t let large scale Mail-In Ballots take root in our Country. It would be a free for all on cheating, forgery and the theft of Ballots. Whoever cheated the most would win. Likewise, Social Media. Clean up your act, NOW!!!!“

Trump tweet
“.@Twitter is now interfering in the 2020 Presidential Election. They are saying my statement on Mail-In Ballots, which will lead to massive corruption and fraud, is incorrect, based on fact-checking by Fake News CNN and the Amazon Washington Post....“


TRUMP tweet
“ There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone.....”
******notice how this tweet ends with a CNN link******


Zuckerberg knocks Twitter for fact-checking Trump, says private companies shouldn't be 'the arbiter of truth'

Meanwhile In California

 

TEXAS
Texas Supreme Court: Lack of immunity to COVID-19 alone not enough to vote by mail

[h8kurdt]

Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Utah , and Hawaii conduct their elections solely by mail. Don't remember any voter fraud scandals coming out of there. Or even you ever moaning about them before Trump started panicking about them.

[choc e-Claire]

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

If I dismissed bands/art based on liberal leanings I wouldn't have ANYTHING to listen to.

 

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

[could barely be arsed parsing through all of that nonsense]

Oh my god, social media platforms influencing elections? Someone tell the President, surely he'll put a stop to fake news and manipulation of truth!

Most of the rest of the world does postal voting, it works fine. In Australia, at least, it actually leans towards the conservative parties. Is this more of your whole 'but America's special, we need to be different to the remaining 95% of the world' shtick?

(And I'm honestly amused by the worry that 'whoever cheated more' would win.)

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Utah , and Hawaii conduct their elections solely by mail. Don't remember any voter fraud scandals coming out of there. Or even you ever moaning about them before Trump started panicking about them.

I clearly said there are reasons every state doesn’t use mail-in ballots. You respond with five states that do. Not one of these states are in the Top 10 of population, three of them aren’t in the Top 25 of population.

13. Washington
21. Colorado
27. Oregon
30. Utah
41. Hawaii

THANK YOU for making my point!!!

[choc e-Claire]

Ah, so Texas is so terribly mismanaged that it can't scale up the operation? Good to hear.

Or, alternatively...

 

[h8kurdt]

Still not seeing a good reason to not have postal voting. Has there been evidence voter fraud in the past? Are there checks to make sure it can't happen? Of course.

I'd be more bothered about electronic voting than postal. But hey, what trump says you believe blindly, right?

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Still not seeing a good reason to not have postal voting. Has there been evidence voter fraud in the past? Are there checks to make sure it can't happen? Of course.

I'd be more bothered about electronic voting than postal. But hey, what trump says you believe blindly, right?

Jerry Nadler slammed paper ballots as ‘extremely susceptible to fraud’ in 2004

“I just, as a very experienced practical politician from New York, feel constrained to observe that in my experience in New York, paper ballots are extremely susceptible to fraud,” the veteran House Democrat said. “And at least with the old clunky voting machines that we have in New York, the deliberate fraud is way down compared to paper.”

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Still not seeing a good reason to not have postal voting. Has there been evidence voter fraud in the past? Are there checks to make sure it can't happen? Of course.

I'd be more bothered about electronic voting than postal. But hey, what trump says you believe blindly, right?

Wall Street Journal: “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” (April 2020)

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Wall Street Journal: “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” (April 2020)

Paywall. Can you copy the whole piece so I can have a read.

Surely we can look at the evidence at how many countries allow mail voting to show that the chance of a rigged election through it is unlikely. Or is it that Trump is afraid of losing an election because of it?

[Screaming Skull]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

It's about 9/11. Not sure what else to add to that.

And that makes it political? How so? Were both sides not equally enraged by an attack on U.S. citizens carried out by deranged religious zealots?

Don't tell me you're going to take the Hillary Clinton/Susan Rice Benghazi angle and say America brought it on itself.

[h8kurdt]

Did think you'd say it isn't political. How can it not be? Especially given what followed it.

Dude Ranch Nurse-Bush
Paper Cup Exit-Bush
Do you believe in rapture-right wing evangelist
Society is a hole-Regan/Reganomics
Teenage riot-pretty obvious
Chapel Hill-Murder of peace activist Bob Sheldon. Suspected to be by the CIA.
Anti-orgasm-Kommune 1
Rain on tin-9/11 as already said
Youth against facism-Disagree with GeneticKiss on this. Clearly a simple anti-fascist song
Peace attack-Bush Iraq

Here's an explanation of what all of them are about. And a colouring book too.

[Screaming Skull]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Did think you'd say it isn't political. How can it not be? Especially given what followed it.

Still not following...what exactly do you think Thurston's saying about 911, "especially given what followed it"?

We all hope
To signal kin
Days of gold
Now rain on tin
Gather round
Gather friends
Never fear
Never again


I agree with him and think most would. Is there a political debate to be had? If so, what are the sides?

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Teenage riot-pretty obvious

Isn't that really just a goofy fantasy about J Mascis becoming president? Or does a song immediately qualify as political just by having the word 'riot' in the title?

[Screaming Skull]

Keep on running in the dark
Dude ranch dream has fallen apart
Stolen kisses let's pretend my friend
You play sick and I will mend
Let the action begin again
You be patient and I'll attend
Let's rehearse let's do it again
Dude ranch nurse yr brand new friend
Let nurse give you a shot
It's something to do
Took my pulse
Let nurse give you a shot
It's something to do
I could love you
I could have you
Deep sleep coming along
Like a newborn colt you found
I'll wrap it around with gauze
Dizzy reminder
Ouch, you found
Let nurse give you a shot
Don't sleep too long
You be cowboy and I'll allow
Let me ride you till you fall
Let's pretend there's nothing at all
Nobody knows the shape I'm in
Kiss me now it's just a sin
Nobody knows the shape I'm in

Anti-Bush? If Kim says so. Overtly political? Not a chance in hell.

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Paywall. Can you copy the whole piece so I can have a read.

Surely we can look at the evidence at how many countries allow mail voting to show that the chance of a rigged election through it is unlikely. Or is it that Trump is afraid of losing an election because of it?

I don’t have access to the WSJ and I’m not paying! The only reason I knew of the article is due to it being mentioned on a radio show. Truth is, h8kurdt, I have zero desire to discuss the number of countries that allow mail-in ballots. I don’t have a dog in that fight!

My response was regarding States within the United States of America who choose to not use mail-in ballots. Each does so for various reasons and I believe the most prevalent reason is population......but I could be mistaken! Guess what, it doesn’t matter what myself or any of you think. Mail-in ballots are a legitimate policy dispute and Americans are free to come down on whatever side they choose......but nothing good comes from changing how America votes six months prior to an election!

More importantly, if Americans can stand in socially distant lines at the grocery store and marijuana dispensaries, they can stand in line to vote!

The subject of my response was questioning why twitter chose to fact check President Trump this week simply because he tweeted about a policy. Twitter has had opportunity to do so in previous years and twitter chose not to until this week. For many this move reeks of censorship.