[knox]

Originally Posted by Derek

A lot more awful than most things I suppose.

Really?
They're not THAT awful.

[knox]

 

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

Really?
They're not THAT awful.

Don't worry. He's just a big pussy. Can't even take a bit of mouth cancer.

 

Giant gaystack they call.

[knox]

I mean the greatest thing about smokes is that you can choose not to smoke them. The same principle doesn't apply to air, food or water tho.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

I mean the greatest thing about smokes is that you can choose not to smoke them.

1) Doesn't make them any less awful.

2) Not necessarily. Tried walking into a shopping centre lately? Not easy to do without inhaling the smoke of the stupid people.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

Really?
They're not THAT awful.

hang out in an ICU for a month watching people suffer and inevitably get wheeled out in a body bag for smoking related diseases and you just might feel a bit different (this is my experience at least). Listen, I know it is ridiculously cliched, but in this instance it happens to be quite true. In reality, dying of smoking related cancers is a privilege, its far worse too live for weeks, months, even years with the debilitating, horrifying even, effects

Originally Posted by knox

I mean the greatest thing about smokes is that you can choose not to smoke them. The same principle doesn't apply to air, food or water tho.

Girl how old are you, 14 and a half? Have you seriously even tried to quit yet? After enough time there is really very little choice involved in the matter. Go to an AA meeting or a rehab, people can quit every addictive substance on the planet, and yet remain chain smokers. It literally easier to quite smoking CRACK than frajos, and they are one of the only substances that human beings consume until their very last breath, even as they are the continuing cause of that death. Does that really sound all that voluntary to you?

(Sorry for the tirade, I've grown a bit more sensitive to smoking issues lately)

[knox]

You can smoke in shopping centres? Since when? Yay!

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

You can smoke in shopping centres? Since when? Yay!

I said walking into a shopping centre. Ever noticed all the ill looking people huddled outside coughing and wheezing?

[knox]

I know how bad smokes are suchfriends and I have tried to quit many times and failed. However, you smoke weed so I don't think you should be talking much. Despite the benefits that tobacco certainly doesn't have, and perhaps certain chemicals that aren't added (which you can't be sure of in most parts of the world, as samples of illegal weed have shown the craziest of things) smoking weed is also inhaling carbon monoxide. Of course most people don't do that 20 times a day, I don't smoke that much either.

And btw, I was talking about non-smokers. They can choose not to start.

As a smoker, I pay a lot of money for my addiction, 75% of which is tax. I am informed and aware of the dangers. Now, people have no choice about the carbon monoxide they breathe and are not as clearly informed about the chemicals and harmful substances added in their food.

I understand everyone is eager to jump into it and start accusing smokers of being the most horrible monsters on earth but seriously.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Pookie

I said walking into a shopping centre. Ever noticed all the ill looking people huddled outside coughing and wheezing?

No, I haven't. Better give us a nice private garden then.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

No, I haven't. Better give us a nice private garden then.

Don't they already have them?

 

[knox]

Originally Posted by Pookie

Don't they already have them?

 

No. They make us stand out in the cold or rain no matter where we are!
We are the scum of the Earth.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by knox

No. They make us stand out in the cold or rain no matter where we are!

Originally Posted by knox

...the greatest thing about smokes is that you can choose not to smoke them.

???

[knox]

Originally Posted by Pookie

???

Now I'm confused.
In theory, I can choose not to smoke them. But I get cranky. Yes, more.
So I stand out in the cold.

[floatingslowly]

it's been one year (just about to the day) since I've had a cigarette.

I stopped at about the time I decided that I really did want to love forever.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by knox

I know how bad smokes are suchfriends and I have tried to quit many times and failed. However, you smoke weed so I don't think you should be talking much. Despite the benefits that tobacco certainly doesn't have, and perhaps certain chemicals that aren't added (which you can't be sure of in most parts of the world, as samples of illegal weed have shown the craziest of things) smoking weed is also inhaling carbon monoxide. Of course most people don't do that 20 times a day, I don't smoke that much either.

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its not a tit for tat game, regardless if I even still smoked cigarettes or not could not discredit my argument about the obvious dangers of smoking. Further, please don't make illogical inferences about my herb smoking, you may not know all the details, and while I am not in the mood to air out my laundry, you should know that I am not using herb like a drug, but quite sincerely for medicinal purposes. Also, I am very aware about the dangers of shady weed growers, that is why I have always dealt with strictly local, strictly trustable sources who are ital about their cultivation so that I can avoid both the chemicals, the mafias, and of course the CIA

Originally Posted by knox

I understand everyone is eager to jump into it and start accusing smokers of being the most horrible monsters on earth but seriously.

dude, where did you miss where I said I was a passionate cigarette smoker for a decade? Honestly, I loved tobacco, the way it tasted, smelled, smoked, made you feel, but in the end, it was illusory. Fantasy is fine so long as its not dangerous

PS, I don't think any less of anyone who smokes, but it seems silly to even remotely try to justify it

[knox]

But you do know that when you smoke weed you inhale carbon monoxide, right?

Whether people do drugs for medicinal purposes, fun or whatever, I truly don't care, it's none of my business.

Now, while the numbers of smokers is increasingly going down, more and more people have cancer.

[alteredcourse]

We all have access to the information, and we can do our best to navigate ourselves in the direction we want to (chances of life without lung cancer, CHANCES, no guarantees), but in the end, we'll do what we like, and we like it that way.

[knox]

Depends. There are many things out there we can't tell. Scientists are trying to find out exactly why people are getting more and more cancer and they can't come up with definite answers. Most of those people aren't smokers.

Others say that living in a urban area is the equivalent of living in a farm and smoking 5 a day, in terms of inhaling carbon monoxide.

I for one have been trying to find out whether aspartame and other artificial sweeteners I use can cause cancer and some claim the industries are not disclosing all that they know about it, while others think we just didn't have enough time to really figure it out.

It took us a long time to realise exactly how bad smokes were.

We don't know enough about chemicals in our food, hormones given to animals, pesticides etc.

A lot of people stopped drinking coffee in the 80's because people said it was bad for you, now they said it's really good for you.

I'm not saying smokes aren't awful, they are. I'm just saying I'm glad I know exactly how awful they can be.

[alteredcourse]

Yes, it's nice to have awareness, for sure.

About aspartame: I dont know about the cancer bit, but from what I understand, aspartame and other artificial sweeteners prevent the hormone leptin from being released, which normally tells us to slow down on the calorie consumption, so you'll still be hungry/thirsty/whatever. And for some reason, since its not sugar it doesnt increase blood-sugar, but it still signals insulin to be released in excess.

Also, it converts to methanol, which has some controversy attached regarding neurological diseases.