[Severian]

Side note: There’s a very good show on Showtime (Showtime? Yeah) called The Fourth Estate about the New York Times’ struggle to cover the Trump administration amid open animosity from the White House and the right as a whole, financial difficulties and just really fucking weird/crazy news non-stop.

Good, compelling show. Just learned about its existence.

[!@#$%!]

^^too long to quote your post and im typing on a phone but i wasnt having a debate with you 2 years ago, i was replying to evolloves idea that "dems need to vote" -- it's a simple sentence but the concept of "dems" is complex as fuck. A case of grammar obscuring reality. Ok!

Eta: also, suchbongs was never a "democrat" in the first place. As a theocrat, he always only impersonated a voter.

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by Severian

Ok, love you Slambang, but this is the very discussion we were having two years ago. Just sayin’. Personally, I can’t take this whole thing... again... fucking blimey.

I think Skuj was specifically talking about/to SFAD, who — if y’all recall — wasn’t gonna vote, thinking somehow that not giving into the system is the answer to the problem. And it probably is in the loooooooong run, but that’s not how you address an impending flicking threat. When you’re faced with a decision between a walking horrorshow championing unapologetic aggression toward the fundamentals of democracy and a smarty pants who’s kind of a bitch... you fucking choose the qualified person who’s kind of a bitch, and you SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PRAY.

Yes, Dems are horrifically disorganized. They have weak campaigns and weak messages that almost exclusicely play into the Trump narrative, so yet again we’re faced with a “We’re not Trump, vote for me because DUH DON’T VOTE FOR THEM” kind of thing and it’s not looking promising from where I’m sitting.

Sounds crazy and premature, but the Dems need firepower. They need an Obama. They need an ambitious, partially-qualified powerhouse to speak to the people of this country who only have rage and hatred toward Trump and his party, and don’t have a clear idea of what they want that is not a reaction to Trump. They need to have their rage addressed, but they also need guidance and someone to throw up a torch for them and be pro-something instead of just anti-Trump.

From my perspective, that’s what congressional and legislative distrtics need, that’s what the nation as a whole needs. An alternate message that makes sense and points to a clear path forward. More than just “Trump = bad!”

Minority wouldn’t hurt, but in this climate would probably get assassinated before making any real headway. Probably a white man, but... I dunno, maybe a young one? Shit.

The thing that gets me day in and day out is.....WHERE IS THE FUCKING OUTRAGE? Schumer is just too nice. Every single day Team Trump is lying and tripping over itself, and where are the Dems?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Skuj

The thing that gets me day in and day out is.....WHERE IS THE FUCKING OUTRAGE? Schumer is just too nice. Every single day Team Trump is lying and tripping over itself, and where are the Dems?

Democrats are the Arsenal (FC) of American politics

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...3bc_story.html

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

^^too long to quote your post and im typing on a phone but i wasnt having a debate with you 2 years ago, i was replying to evolloves idea that "dems need to vote" -- it's a simple sentence but the concept of "dems" is complex as fuck. A case of grammar obscuring reality. Ok!

Eta: also, suchbongs was never a "democrat" in the first place. As a theocrat, he always only impersonated a voter.

I was just saying, this sounds like what we were saying after Trump got elected. Not beefin, just making an observation.
We good?

Also, yeah about SFAD, but either way... dude shoulda voted. Not voting was not an answer.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Skuj

The thing that gets me day in and day out is.....WHERE IS THE FUCKING OUTRAGE? Schumer is just too nice. Every single day Team Trump is lying and tripping over itself, and where are the Dems?

I hear ya. All that talk of not normalizing, and the Capital Hill Dems pretty much did exactly that.

[Skuj]

They should be doing everything in their power to STOP the next SCOTUS nominee prior to Nov elections. McConnell cannot have it both ways.

[Bytor Peltor]

Democrats Are Going To Be Pissed......does she plan to spend 2 Billion in 2020?

[Skuj]

There is NO FUCKING WAY that she will run again, and New York Post is .......what exactly is it?

Edit: "In 2017, the New York Post was reported to be the preferred newspaper of U.S. President Donald Trump,[79][80] who maintains frequent contact with its owner, Rupert Murdoch.[80] "

LOL.

[ilduclo]

Originally Posted by Skuj

They should be doing everything in their power to STOP the next SCOTUS nominee prior to Nov elections. McConnell cannot have it both ways.

that's one we likely won't win, we can hope for some fatal illnesses in Alito, Roberts, Thomas, though. Roberts already had a pretty significant health scare.


http://content.time.com/time/nation/...648384,00.html

[evollove]

^

I agree fighting nom is a losing battle. And yet...

I'm headed to Sen Rob Portman's office on Tuesday. I kinda have to. I mean, I won't face a fine or anything, but it would be bad form. I REALLY don't want to. I have better things to do. Better things to protest actually.

It's pointless. But I have to. But it's pointless. But...etc

Gets worse. I need a letter. I'm suppose to deliver a letter to him re: SCOTUS nom. No idea what to say. None.

Ideas?

Someone do my homework.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

I was just saying, this sounds like what we were saying after Trump got elected. Not beefin, just making an observation.
We good?

Also, yeah about SFAD, but either way... dude shoulda voted. Not voting was not an answer.

no not beefing. just trying to point that the job is not an easy one. and everyone needs to do their part and even then it won’t be guaranteed

but you know, the battle of stalingrad took like 2.5 million deaths and it turned hitler back

this is clearly a metaphor

all im saying is it’s gonna take a shittttttttttttttton of individual efforts to add up to a victory, and even then who knows, because i’m not sure yet what’s the strategy

and im absolutely not saying “give up and die”. i’m just vaccinating against the inevitable frustrations ahead.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by evollove

^

I agree fighting nom is a losing battle. And yet...

I'm headed to Sen Rob Portman's office on Tuesday. I kinda have to. I mean, I won't face a fine or anything, but it would be bad form. I REALLY don't want to. I have better things to do. Better things to protest actually.

It's pointless. But I have to. But it's pointless. But...etc

Gets worse. I need a letter. I'm suppose to deliver a letter to him re: SCOTUS nom. No idea what to say. None.

Ideas?

Someone do my homework.

i’ll play

gimme some background

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PM preferrable to avoid googability but whatever works for you

[Skuj]

Yeah, I just think the Lay Down And Die attitude of the current Dems leadership, even if they feel Team Trump will get their way anyway, is no way to breath life into The Cause.

FIGHT!!!

McConnell is clearly one of the worst human beings ever.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Yeah, I just think the Lay Down And Die attitude of the current Dems leadership, even if they feel Team Trump will get their way anyway, is no way to breath life into The Cause.

FIGHT!!!

McConnell is clearly one of the worst human beings ever.

correct x3

[evollove]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i’ll play

gimme some background

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PM preferrable to avoid googability but whatever works for you

Oh, I don't care who knows, as far as I'm concerned.

Trump will announce SCOTUS nom tonight. Tomorrow, a bunch of people will go to Senator Rob Portman's (R) office to protest. That's it.

(But protest who? Why?)

I guess when you go to any Senator's office, they make you fill out a form about why you're there. Instead, we're all supposed to deliver a letter. "Don't rubber stamp the nom" should be the main thrust of the letter, I guess.

I don't know. Feels pointless. Can't generate any enthusiasm for this.

[!@#$%!]

yeah that’s often the price of being a foot soldier i these wars. you’re sent on absurd missions. but remember stalingrad.

anyway i saw the guy’s website. i’d say appeal to his conservative principles in your letter.

[evollove]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but remember stalingrad.

Will do.

Of course, it might get called off.

Trump could nominate a sensible moderate with a long history of fighting for just causes, right? Right?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by evollove

Trump could nominate a sensible moderate with a long history of fighting for just causes, right? Right?

i dont like false hopes. my approach is wait and see and deal. of course everything is possible, some things are more probable, but we won’t know until we know

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eta: having said that, i dislike everyone on the shortlist

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Democrats Are Going To Be Pissed......does she plan to spend 2 Billion in 2020?

It’s the NY Post. Grain of salt.