Dirty Deluxe Reissue

top 40 squeeze · 09.10.2006, 03:55 AM

I was listening again for the first time in awhile to the bonus tracks on the Dirty Deluxe Reissue, and I was struck all over again by the insane amount of control over the balance between noise and structure Sonic Youth had at this time. Some people dismiss Dirty because they see it as an "overproduced" (what because of Butch Vig?) or too "poppy/structured." I've always disagreed on this, thinking Dirty has some of their strangest most abrasive noise on it. I mean listen to it again, and ignore the fact you think the songs are presented as grunge pop songs (although i think most have a pretty weird structure to be called pop)... and listen to what constitutes the "riffs," listen to how the guitar parts of these songs are crazy washes of noise with only the drums and vocals to kind of shoe-horn it into being songs. This record's really an amazing accomplishment in my mind.

And the bonus tracks... which is what I was talking about originally... the instrumental versions are so subtly different from the album tracks that you get the sense of the insane amount of control and discipline Sonic Youth had at the time. Without the vocals these songs, that many consider to be shallow, really pop out as supple instrumental masterpieces. There are some really crazy choices and "arrangements" made on the 3 versions of Wish Fullfillment, and its interesting to see Sonic Youth take that kind of approach... Kind of a foreshadowing to A Thousand Leaves where through SYR and the pre-release shows we got to see songs transform from instrumental to album versions.

I wish Sonic Youth had these kind of recordings for every album they reissued. Although you do get the feeling that the tracks didn't quite evolve this way on every record they wrote.

whorefrost · 09.10.2006, 04:17 AM

i always got an syr vibe from disc 2 of dirty deluxe as well.. good post... 'fraid i can't rep you again just yet..

Fox · 09.10.2006, 07:48 AM

I completely agree with you

atari 2600 · 09.10.2006, 10:47 AM

It seems fairly odd to me that songs like Orange Rolls, Angel's Spit & Wish Fulfillment were included on the initial release while Hendrix Necro & Genetic were relegated to B-side obscurity for all those years.

Alex's Trip · 09.10.2006, 10:54 AM

I really wish Nic Fit had been replaced by Genetic.

I do not have the Dirty Deluxe, unfortunately.

greenlight · 09.10.2006, 03:14 PM

exactly, i love sy when instrumental.

moonface is just fucking excelent explosive track!

lovesonicevol · 09.12.2006, 02:56 PM

I cant even pick which bside song I like on Dirty. Hendrix Necro Genetic Stalker..............theyre all so good.

gmku · 09.12.2006, 03:38 PM

I've always liked the Dirty CD I have. Is the Deluxe version worth picking up?

Chris Lawrence · 09.12.2006, 10:50 PM

hey alex · 09.13.2006, 12:33 AM

funny, i was listening to that last night and thinking how good the second disc was... I'll prob spin 1 tonight or tomorrow

static-harmony · 09.13.2006, 12:39 AM

I haven't listened to the second disc in a while I'll probably put it on.

cosmokramer · 09.13.2006, 10:34 PM

out of the eight sy albums i have, dirty isn't one of them.
i feel ashamed

umjammer atomsk · 09.14.2006, 07:23 PM

I don't listen to Dirty much but the 2nd disc of the deluxe is fucking rad. I love it.

09.10.2006, 03:55 AM	#1
top 40 squeeze bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 234	I was listening again for the first time in awhile to the bonus tracks on the Dirty Deluxe Reissue, and I was struck all over again by the insane amount of control over the balance between noise and structure Sonic Youth had at this time. Some people dismiss Dirty because they see it as an "overproduced" (what because of Butch Vig?) or too "poppy/structured." I've always disagreed on this, thinking Dirty has some of their strangest most abrasive noise on it. I mean listen to it again, and ignore the fact you think the songs are presented as grunge pop songs (although i think most have a pretty weird structure to be called pop)... and listen to what constitutes the "riffs," listen to how the guitar parts of these songs are crazy washes of noise with only the drums and vocals to kind of shoe-horn it into being songs. This record's really an amazing accomplishment in my mind. And the bonus tracks... which is what I was talking about originally... the instrumental versions are so subtly different from the album tracks that you get the sense of the insane amount of control and discipline Sonic Youth had at the time. Without the vocals these songs, that many consider to be shallow, really pop out as supple instrumental masterpieces. There are some really crazy choices and "arrangements" made on the 3 versions of Wish Fullfillment, and its interesting to see Sonic Youth take that kind of approach... Kind of a foreshadowing to A Thousand Leaves where through SYR and the pre-release shows we got to see songs transform from instrumental to album versions. I wish Sonic Youth had these kind of recordings for every album they reissued. Although you do get the feeling that the tracks didn't quite evolve this way on every record they wrote.
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09.10.2006, 04:17 AM	#2
whorefrost invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arrived in Smoke, Arrived in Gold Posts: 2,568	i always got an syr vibe from disc 2 of dirty deluxe as well.. good post... 'fraid i can't rep you again just yet.. __________________ hehehe
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09.10.2006, 07:48 AM	#3
Fox the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 599	I completely agree with you __________________ #green_light_chat Myspace => Fox Noisejob
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09.10.2006, 10:47 AM	#4
atari 2600 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,212	It seems fairly odd to me that songs like Orange Rolls, Angel's Spit & Wish Fulfillment were included on the initial release while Hendrix Necro & Genetic were relegated to B-side obscurity for all those years.
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09.10.2006, 10:54 AM	#5
Alex's Trip invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 5,608	I really wish Nic Fit had been replaced by Genetic. I do not have the Dirty Deluxe, unfortunately. __________________ KALOPSIA
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09.10.2006, 03:14 PM	#6
greenlight invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,131	exactly, i love sy when instrumental. moonface is just fucking excelent explosive track!
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09.12.2006, 02:56 PM	#7
lovesonicevol children of satan Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Midwestern Pangs. Posts: 272	I cant even pick which bside song I like on Dirty. Hendrix Necro Genetic Stalker..............theyre all so good. __________________ I LEFT HOME FOR XPERIENCE CARVED 'SUK FOR HONESTY' ON MY CHEST
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09.12.2006, 03:38 PM	#8
gmku invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 15,225	I've always liked the Dirty CD I have. Is the Deluxe version worth picking up? __________________ Ever notice how this place just basically, well, sucks.
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09.12.2006, 10:50 PM	#9
Chris Lawrence Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: southwest canada Posts: 1,883	yes. __________________ http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang // original folk blues ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .i'm the boy that can enjoy invisibility. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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09.13.2006, 12:33 AM	#10
hey alex the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 791	funny, i was listening to that last night and thinking how good the second disc was... I'll prob spin 1 tonight or tomorrow __________________ Duran Duran's 1995 covers album Thank You was recently voted the worst album of all time by a Q magazine poll. Although we respectfully disagree (Sonic Youth's NYC Ghosts & Flowers is clearly the worst album of all time) -Pitchfork (hahahah!) Here's a myspace of my music and 4-track ramblings the electric kites--the jamz of me n my friends
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09.13.2006, 12:39 AM	#11
static-harmony invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: outside L.A Posts: 5,156	I haven't listened to the second disc in a while I'll probably put it on. __________________
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09.13.2006, 10:34 PM	#12
cosmokramer bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 138	out of the eight sy albums i have, dirty isn't one of them. i feel ashamed __________________
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09.14.2006, 07:23 PM	#13
umjammer atomsk the end of the ugly Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 889	I don't listen to Dirty much but the 2nd disc of the deluxe is fucking rad. I love it. __________________
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