[uhler]

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

yes, i understood what you meant with the parody without the higher ground and stupidity. what i meant is that since they were a hardcore band that took a branch from the same tree most bands were taking their cues from, while at the same time opening it's musical doors seems like a better conscious, post modern concept, in a way similar (only similar) to sy's approach to classic rock and 80's pop. nothing wrong with it.

but then, you're talking about contexts and forms and well, i really appreciate mostly the finished product instead of the process so that's probably why i don't dig them.



Having said all that, if NOU don't float your boat, it's really not going to make any difference to anyone or anything.

what i think refused excel in wasn't their "radical" musical explorations or their "radical" ideologies and lyrics. i think they excelled because they wrote damn good songs in a variety of styles, making (in the shape of punk to come) a very solid album from start to finish, also something i feel ulysses lacked. the proof is that so many bands have taken ideas from that album and that band and most of them are conformists within their genre and scene.

and uhler; the international noise conspiracy are laughably lame, they probably heard the hives were going to sign to a major label and thought of jumping on the bandwagon at the same time. i'm still amazed it's the same guy in both bands.[/quote]

t(i)nc actually predate the hives and they were both on epitaph at one time. i saw them live at a club in tampa and they both sucked. what madethe show any good was that milemarker played, t(i)nc covered the stooges (and did a good job) and i was with a hot girl.

[batreleaser]

Nation is post-hardcore, in that they are certainly based in hardcore, but like the other bands in that vein they took it a little more far out, a little more experimental, musical, etc... in the same way post punk bands did with punk. other of these are drive like jehu, fugazi, etc.. Nation of Ulysses is fucking amazing, i love 13 point program and Plays Pretty for Baby just about equally and Ian Svenonious is one of my heroes, period. other dischord bands i worship are minor threat, rites of spring, dag nasty, void, fugazi, and youth brigade.

[atsonicpark]

Ew, why did International Noise conspiracy have to be brought up?

One of the worst bands ever...

[Cantankerous]

hardcore really is just a genre for people who don't know how to play their instruments properly, just like overproduced glittery pop shit is a genre for people who aren't really musicians at all but they've got sex to sell, etc etc etc.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

hardcore really is just a genre for people who don't know how to play their instruments properly, just like overproduced glittery pop shit is a genre for people who aren't really musicians at all but they've got sex to sell, etc etc etc.

Oh, c'mon, that's not cantankerous, that's just silly.

Mike Watt and the rest of the Minutemen, the Sun City Girls, The Ex, NoMeansNo, East Bay Ray and the rest of the DKs, Bad Brains, Sacharine Trust... The list of incredibly talented musicians to come out of the hardcore scene is staggering. The fact that they were outnumbered by lesser musicians and an often particularly close-minded fanbase does not diminish the reality of how great the best were.

[Cantankerous]

the dead kennedys are NOT hardcore for fucks sake! like six talented bands in a slew of probably thousands of hardcore bands does not validate what you're saying. there are GOOD hardcore bands that i do like, but the number of shit ones far outweighs the good.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

the dead kennedys are NOT hardcore for fucks sake! like six talented bands in a slew of probably thousands of hardcore bands does not validate what you're saying. there are GOOD hardcore bands that i do like, but the number of shit ones far outweighs the good.

The DKs are for many people the original hardcore band. Not for me, I'd probably put the Germs there, but in a popular sense they sure are. You saying they are not a hardcore band reminds me of a discussion I once had with this girl who said she hated all New Wave. I pointed out that she loved the Police, and she insisted they were NOT New Wave.

Sure the bad bands way outnumber the good in hardcore, so tell me which genre that isn't true with again?

[Cantankerous]

post punk. fucking excellent genre.

[Norma J]

And who would you categorise in that?

[Cantankerous]

the raincoats, the cure, joy division, the jam, echo & the bunnymen, gang of four, the birthday party, all kinds really but it's a relatively small group of musicians who all happened to be fantastic.
i don't think i've ever heard a bad first wave psychedelic band either. and there's not one bad glam rock band.

[ZEROpumpkins]

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

and there's not one bad glam rock band.

*Buzzer* That answer is incorrect.

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins

*Buzzer* That answer is incorrect.

bowie, t rex, sweet, slade, roxy music, alice cooper, new york dolls...all absolutely fucking brilliant music. don't you ever DARE disagree with me, you zygote.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by atsonicpark

Ew, why did International Noise conspiracy have to be brought up?

One of the worst bands ever...

true

[uhler]

i can name a lot of great hardcore bands. post punk is a great genre and i can't say that about glam rock but i like most of the bands you mentioned.

7 seconds
the adolescents
agent orange
the first agnostic front 7 inch
artificial peace
bad brains
(old) bad religion
better than a thousand
big boys
black flag
bold
burn
chain of strength
circle jerks
circle one
cro-mags
crucifucks
deadline
dead kennedys
deep wound
descendents
dicks
doa
(old)dri
dys
the faith
gorilla biscuits
husker du
inside out
iron cross
jfa
judge
limp wrist
marginal man
mdc
(the first two) meat puppets
minor threat
minutemen
necros
negative approach
(old) neurosis
project x
(old) redd kross
shelter
side by side
ss decontrol
soa
supertouch
teen idols
token entry
tsol
uniform choice
untouchables
verbal abuse
void
wasted youth
youth brigade
youth of today

that's all i can think of now.

[uhler]

sean finnegan (the drummer of void) died the other day. he was only 43 years old. i guess that means no void reunion.

[Norma J]

This board is full of a bunch of haters, I tell ya.

[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by uhler

sean finnegan (the drummer of void) died the other day. he was only 43 years old. i guess that means no void reunion.

that's really sad, he was a great drummer, at least i'm glad there's not going to be a void reunion.

that t&g album should be released.

[uhler]

yeah i guess that is a good thing that there is no void reunion. i don't think 40 year olds should be playing hardcore songs they wrote 25 years ago.

[uhler]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

fuckawholebunchanewyorkhardcore.

yeah, i agree.....

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by Norma J

This board is full of a bunch of haters, I tell ya.

we just have strong feelings and express them accordingly.