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Old 06.15.2019, 06:55 AM   #5641
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The amendments have expanded the amount of groups protected and types of 'speech', which now includes social media. Before that it was difficult to police because spoken words are hard to prove in court, but a statement on social media, even if it's just a 'like' on facebook, is concrete evidence. That was the point when it started getting really scary.
social media is the pits and should be dismantled lol.

anyway i watched the nazi dog video, which has been mirrored for posterity.

the “sieg heil” bit actually made me laugh, it was so silly, but the repetition of “gas the jews” was insensitive and in terrible taste and not funny at all.

however, failed humor and insensitivity and bad taste should not be a crime. i would rather call him a stupid motherfucker or satirize him than arrest and fine him. but that’s how your legal system operates.

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Dunno about skinheads but I read somewhere it had something to do with football fans so, in a roundabout way maybe. But I wouldn't say it was a motivatig factor. More a way of getting it through parliament. Heysel happened the year before and football fans were easy law and order scapegoats.

i see.

well i suppose that protesting about universities is a bit short sighted here. you have a much bigger problem, which is the social acquiescence to limit the marketplace of ideas “for the greater good” or whatever.

the fact that this limitation has now reached the universities is just one effect of those larger currents. by protesting it in isolation you’re now trying to cover the sun with one finger. too late if you ask me.

first they came for the football fans and i said nothing...

so, do you have any non-nazi politicians trying to protect free speech and free thought? or are your free speech advocates just nazis trying to get a platform?
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Old 06.15.2019, 08:41 AM   #5642
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None of the actual politicians appeal but everything's focused on Brexit right now and they're all positioning themselves in relation to that, so it's anyone's guess where most of them stand on anything else.
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None of the actual politicians appeal but everything's focused on Brexit right now and they're all positioning themselves in relation to that, so it's anyone's guess where most of them stand on anything else.
i went to search for “uk liberal democrats free speech” assuming they’d espouse some sort of platform and found this

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21194991

then they came for david ward and i didn’t say anything because i wasn’t david ward...

you guys are fuuuuuuucked fucked fucked

i had not realized this before

damn. you’re fucked.

i don’t know what to tell you. honestly. don’t even know where to begin.

but how come you haven’t become a “free speech absolutist” at this point? (our first amendment is not “absolute” btw, but that’s for another day).
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Old 06.15.2019, 11:09 AM   #5644
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I know some people can be really literal when it comes to 'absolutes'. Generally I'd say anything goes unless there's a really good common sense reason why it shouldn't.
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Old 06.15.2019, 11:51 AM   #5645
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I know some people can be really literal when it comes to 'absolutes'.
i perceive this to be offensive against my person. i ask that you be taken away in handcuffs

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I Generally I'd say anything goes unless there's a really good common sense reason why it shouldn't.

common sense? my sense is anything but common. so another person has perceived this as discriminatory. we ask that you be levied a fine.

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lmao. insane.

im still trying to wrap my head about the bullshit condition of your laws. am i insulting the honor of your past parliaments when i say this? is this offensive? are you offended?

holy fucking shit. my mind is blown.

i think you need to become radicalized lmao. this is beyond your universities i swear. you’re all being muzzled and anyone can claim control of the leash by proclaiming themselves a victim. you’re going to muzzle each other into irrelevancy.
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More than six months ago, I wrote a column titled “Elizabeth Warren and her party of ideas,” in which I described Warren as the closest modern equivalent to the role once played by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a serious intellectual turned influential politician. The article was, in effect, a plea for the news media to tone down the traditional obsession with “likeability” — the modern version of “a guy you’d like to have a beer with” — and pay attention to candidates’ policy proposals.

To be honest, I fully expected the column to be a tree falling in the forest, where nobody could hear it. And for the next few months, my pessimism seemed justified. In fact, many pundits seemed to have written Warren off. Nevertheless, as Mitch McConnell famously complained, she persisted.

And something strange has happened: Bit by bit, policy proposal by policy proposal, Warren has been clawing her way into the position of a major contender. People are showing up at campaign rallies wearing “Warren has a plan for that” T-shirts. There has also been a startling shift in the media narrative, with a spate of articles — most recently in today’s Times — marveling at the way Warren’s wonkiness has become a defining, popular piece of personal branding. Pundits are even starting to say that her policy earnestness makes her … likable.

Will she actually get the nomination? Could she win if she did? I have absolutely no idea. Neither, by the way, does anyone else.

But there is one point I think even the somewhat bemused pro-Warren punditry is missing. There’s a reason, beyond being smart and well-informed, that Warren is able to come up with so many interesting policy ideas. Namely, there is a huge gap between what inside-the-Beltway opinion considers serious policy and what actual policy researchers have to say. This creates what I think of as the Great Wonk Window: a surprisingly wide range of policy areas where a politician can be simultaneously radical by conventional political standards and solidly grounded in expert analysis.

One example is taxation of the rich. Conventional wisdom is still obsessed with the notion that taxing high incomes and/or giant fortunes will have dangerous effects on incentives. Actual experts in public finance have, however, long argued that substantially higher top-end taxation is justified — and Warren devised her wealth-tax plan with help from Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, superstars in the field.
Another example is child care, where there is a large body of evidence that investments in child care pay back significant dividends in both the short run — by helping mothers remain employed — and in the long run, because well-cared-for children grow up into more productive adults.

So as I said, there’s a surprisingly big window for politically radical but economically sound policy. And Warren clearly both knows that this window exists and is trying to use the resulting opening to promote her agenda.

Whether she or anyone else will manage to climb through that window remains to be seen. But opening the wonk window is, at least potentially, a really big deal.
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