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Old 08.01.2010, 08:07 AM   #321
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Scientists have now agreed with BP boss Tony Hayward's suggestion that only "tiny" amounts of oil had leaked when the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded. The sea is almost entirely clear 16 days after the spill was halted. One Marine scientist is quoted as saying: "There's no data to suggest this is an environmental disaster. We are not seeing catastrophic impacts. There's a lot of hype, but no evidence to justify it."

Another Marine expert reckons the spill is the equivalent of less than a drop in an Olympic sized swimming pool. The beaches will be normal before Christmas, fishing will be back in two months and the shellfish industry in two years.

i somehow fail to believe that all the oil that leaked onto shore and into the soil and grass will just disappear.
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Old 08.01.2010, 10:51 AM   #322
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i somehow fail to believe that all the oil that leaked onto shore and into the soil and grass will just disappear.

that makes 2 of us and 2 years no shellfish hardly seems like a drop in a bucket and I'll lay money it's more than 2 months before the fish are good for eating.
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i somehow fail to believe that all the oil that leaked onto shore and into the soil and grass will just disappear.

Do you have any evidence to back your claim? Like one of the scientists said, there's a lot of hype, but no evidence to justify it.
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Old 08.01.2010, 05:50 PM   #324
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Another Marine expert reckons the spill is the equivalent of less than a drop in an Olympic sized swimming pool. The beaches will be normal before Christmas, fishing will be back in two months and the shellfish industry in two years.

while I have already mentioned above that this was not an Apocalypse, surely anyone would be naive to assume after only a few weeks and months that everything is A-ok...

I mean, look was happened with Exxon-Valdeez, two decades later and the whole area is still a fucking toxic waste dump, with thick crude just a foot bellow the sands and soil..

After all the lies and blatant corruption at BP (the bickering amongst the chain of command on the rig, the Oil Response Plan which looked like a forgery turned into a tenth grade english class, the series of failures and shoulder shrugging that has been going on for the past few months, the fact that over a million and half gallons of dish soap (essentially what the cleaning chemicals used were) were dumped into the gulf on top of the unknown millions and millions of gallons of oil, and unprecedented scale of use..



Sure, this was mostly light, unrefined oil instead of heavy crude, but surely everything is not just rosy all of a sudden, Apocalypse no, but lets not pretend this was just a glass of spilled milk!
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Old 08.01.2010, 06:02 PM   #325
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Do you have any evidence to back your claim? Like one of the scientists said, there's a lot of hype, but no evidence to justify it.


if you dump tons of something that is usually not there in a very fragile ecosystem, it's going to have some effect. if you decide to be slow in your actions and dump tons of even stranger and toxic chemicals in the same system, you'll definitely have an effect. it's not just about the ocean itself: the oil leaking into the louisiana wetlands is all over the roots of these plants there, like some kind of blanket that is very hard to remove, and it is one of the worst things to happen to something as frail as this.

i read some other statements by a dutch scientist who claimed it 'wasn't as bad', and he bases his claims on a checklist that is used to determine if something is an environmental disaster. with these oil spills, a large part of the checklist is about how the bird population has been affected by the oil. in this case, the damage amongst the birds hasn't been as bad as during previous leaks, so this is not a disaster. the man seems to 'forget' about all the other things that have been affected though: all the unique and varied swamps along the coast, that serve as a breeding place for numerous species, including a lot of fish. i think even you are clever enough to make the equasion: no place for baby fishies = no big fishies. these swamps were already threatened by human activities (boats going through them, causing erosion to spread and turning the swamp into open water). suffocating the plants is one of the worst things that could happen, but it isn't too bad because 'the birds are safely in canada at this time of the year'
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Old 08.10.2010, 04:29 PM   #326
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http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...vernment-dont/

tremendous cover-up of animal deaths and environmental toxification.
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UK Guardian 22 Aug
A three-year investigation by the United Nations will almost entirely exonerate Royal Dutch Shell for 40 years of oil pollution in the Niger delta, causing outrage among communities who have long campaigned to force the multinational to clean up its spills and pay compensation.
The $10m (6.5m) investigation by the UN environment programme (UNEP), paid for by Shell, will say that only 10% of oil pollution in Ogoniland has been caused by equipment failures and company negligence, and concludes that the rest has come from local people illegally stealing oil and sabotaging company pipelines.
The shock disclosure was made by Mike Cowing, the head of a UN team of 100 people who have been studying environmental damage in the region.
Cowing said that the 300 known oil spills in the Ogoniland region of the delta caused massive damage, but added that 90% of the spills had been caused by "bunkering" gangs trying to steal oil.
His comments, in a briefing in Geneva last week, have caused deep offence among the families of Ken Saro-Wiwa and the eight other Ogoni leaders who were hanged by the Nigerian government in 1995 after a peaceful uprising against Shell's pollution.
With 606 oil fields, the Niger delta supplies 8.2% of the crude oil imported by the US. Life expectancy in its rural communities, half of which have no access to clean water, has fallen to little more than 40 over the past two generations.
Communities accept that bunkering has become rife in some areas of Ogoniland, but say this is a recent development and most of the historical pollution has been caused by Shell operations.
Last year, Amnesty calculated that the equivalent of at least 9m barrels of oil has been spilled in the delta over the past half a century, nearly twice as much as the 5m barrels unleashed in the Gulf of Mexico by the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
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Old 08.24.2010, 09:04 AM   #328
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also, they found the huge cloud of oil that is still in the water. it has been broken into tiny pieces by the chemicals they poured in, but water samples showed large concentrations of oil at a depth of 1100 km under the sea. it is invisible because the particles are tiny, but it's about 35 km long and 200 m wide... investigators claimed the oil was dissolving, which is untrue, it just breaks into tiny particles invisible to the human eye. the microbes that were supposed to break down the oil probably don't work at this depth.
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Old 08.24.2010, 12:54 PM   #329
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After reading the last few articles anyone care to argue about how corrupt the USA is? There is nothing in the USA that can't be bought.
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Old 08.24.2010, 01:34 PM   #330
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it turns into colloidal particles which can destroy plankton

the business of the USA is business.

it has been for the longest

religion and patriotism are trumpeted to hide the fact that the people with the money want more of it, and will do whatever it takes, legal or extra-legal, to get the money.

In the 1960's-70's the richest 1% controlled 28% of the money. This went down throughout the 70's and then, when Regan started his "trickle down economics (give the rich more moneya nd less tax3es and their wealth would "trickle down" to the middle class and the working class and the poor . HA!) it rose up steadily.

Bush Clinton and Baby Bush did nothing to improve it

Currently 1% of the population controls around 28-30% of the wealth.

to those people, anyon who works for $30 thou a year is a fucking FOOL.
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Old 08.25.2010, 12:16 AM   #331
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I went swimming in the gulf last weekend, Pensacola beach. No sign of oil. I got a mild rash and my son got a pretty aggressive and weird rash. It was lots of ant bite looking bumps surrounded by rash all over his body. I teased him that it was the dispersants that they used to break up the oil, while secretly thinking it was the dispersants they used to break up the oil.
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I went swimming in the gulf last weekend, Pensacola beach. No sign of oil. I got a mild rash and my son got a pretty aggressive and weird rash. It was lots of ant bite looking bumps surrounded by rash all over his body. I teased him that it was the dispersants that they used to break up the oil, while secretly thinking it was the dispersants they used to break up the oil.

of course it is. as i said, a lot of oil has been broken down into particles invisible to the human eye. most of this is in deep water underseas but i can imagine it floating around elsewhere too. i'm sorry for you and your kid!
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Old 01.17.2011, 10:12 AM   #333
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I'm surprised no one has laughably tried to convince people the amphibians in the Everglades has mutated into man-eating Swamp Thing look-alikes because of the oil leak.

 


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this article discusses the use of synthetic microbes to "digest" the oil that the chemicals sunk to the bottom of the ocean

http://worldvisionportal.org/wordpre...-genetic-storm
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