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Old 07.11.2020, 09:00 AM   #8881
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Funny, every other poll says something more like those numbers would be switched.

Face it, guys. Your savior will not save you from the future or himself from being charged with tax evasion (unless he flees the country never to return, in which case good riddance). For you to support anything he or the modern GOP stand for makes you a disgrace to the fanbase of not just Sonic Youth, but alternative music in general.

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out of 26 presidential elections? Is this person 120 years old?

Good catch EVOL, however, the easy explanation......not sure when the first Professor Helmut Norpoth model was used, but not only has it been extremely successful going forward, evidently it was extremely successful when the same parameters were applied going backwards, thusly giving us 24 out of 26 elections over 104 years.

And Genetic......you make it sound as if Donal Trump never filed taxes. Let’s make sure everyone understands, if taxes were illegally evaded, it was done so under the Administrations of Obama and possibly Bush. Anything else would be over 20 years ago and I don’t think can be pursued? Also, if Donal Trump wasn’t President, no one would care about seeing his taxes made public.

Regarding Roger Stone, here at the Beaumont Federal Prison, all nonviolent prisoners over the age of 60 who have any sort of medical condition (high blood pressure, diabetic, ect) were released to serve out the remainder of their sentence at home due to the coronavirus pandemic. Word is they are about to do the same for any nonviolent 50 or older. Also, Texas prisons aren’t taking anyone new. The newly nonviolent convicted must sit it out in county jails, but the county jails are releasing the nonviolent because of the coronavirus outbreak within the jail/prison system......so odds are, Roger Stone probably would have already been sent home to finish the remainder of his sentence if not for is close ties to President Trump. Why can I say this, because here locally, former
Congressman Steve Stockman who is 63 and a diabetic, he wasn’t released from the Beaumont Federal Prison. There is a petition and people have been protesting for his release, but so far he remains locked up.
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Old 07.11.2020, 12:51 PM   #8882
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Old 07.11.2020, 04:18 PM   #8883
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As much as I abhor the current activities of the republican party and am mind boggled why anyone would vote for them unless you think millionaires should get tax cuts regardless of the cost to social cohesion, or you choose to gleefully disregard what verifiable data says about the sustainability of life. I also don't understand why people hold on to this delusion that maintaining an interest in certain margins of the entertainment industries is equal to political activism or a means to instigate profound egalitarian change in society.
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Old 07.11.2020, 06:13 PM   #8884
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As much as I abhor the current activities of the republican party and am mind boggled why anyone would vote for them unless you think millionaires should get tax cuts regardless of the cost to social cohesion, or you choose to gleefully disregard what verifiable data says about the sustainability of life. I also don't understand why people hold on to this delusion that maintaining an interest in certain margins of the entertainment industries is equal to political activism or a means to instigate profound egalitarian change in society.
In England a huge amount of political discourse always happened through the arts and nowhere effective for years. Are you surprised?
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Old 07.11.2020, 10:17 PM   #8885
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Much to my dismay, I discovered today that all 3 members of my immediate family legitimately like Trump, and weren't just voting party line.
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In England a huge amount of political discourse always happened through the arts and nowhere effective for years. Are you surprised?

Political discourse that happens in the arts is just a bunch of people agreeing with each other that such and such a thing is bad.
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Political discourse that happens in the arts is just a bunch of people agreeing with each other that such and such a thing is bad.

Quite right you are! I remember here in Providence, for months following President Trump's election, the Trinity Theater showing a white sport coat spattered with blood (which was a costume from an earlier production of "Julius Caesar" (implying assassination as a legitimate political tactic) alongside several posters indicating that the Trump crowd were the darkness and the anti-Trump crowd were the light. This display struck me as belonging to some bizarre science fiction "Hunger Games" reality where the citizens of the Capital were advertised as the victims and the slaves in the districts as the oppressors! (Mind you, I was born and mostly raised in a Working-Class neighborhood in a rust-belt midwestern city before I became as well-educated as I am out here on the East Coast, so the parallel is quite clear to me.)

The truth is that, here in the US, that small portion of the arts which is presented to the general public via the corporate media is selected precisely due to its support for the establishment "party line", while large swaths of the arts which are not so aligned are ignored.
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Much to my dismay, I discovered today that all 3 members of my immediate family legitimately like Trump, and weren't just voting party line.

Would you kindly inform them of the fact that a graduate of multiple world-ranked universities who grew up in a Working-Class ethnic immigrant neighborhood in a rust belt city in the American Midwest (that being myself!) fully agrees with them?

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In the news today "salt of the earth, man of the people, working class pleb JUST LIKE YOU, also supports a sociopathic mentalist"
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The TRUTH About Pardons And So Much More

“don’t fall for the roger stone hysteria, it’s just a distraction, just like the russia bounty story! the president's power to commute sentences almost absolute!

george washington granted clemency to traitors
andrew johnson pardoned every single confederate soldier
gerald ford pardoned nixon
bill clinton pardoned his own a brother......that’s what brothers are for!!!

bill clinton pardoned the former cia director and his business partner, susan mcdougal......and bill pardon the biggest TAX FRAUD in U.S. history, international fugitive, marc rich......AFTER riches wife donated a half a million to the clinton's presidential library (isn’t that special)

barak obama commuted the sentence of chelsea manning, who conspired with wiki leaks and THE MEDIA LOVED IT!!!

but trump commuted the sentence of roger stone who DID NOT CONSPIRE with wiki leaks and THE MEDIA HATED IT!!!

(do the free minded freethinkers) see what's going on here?

there was never any evidence of collusion because there was never any collusion......nobody's ever been charged with collusion or conspiracy with the russians stone was charged in order to cover-up a corrupt investigation!!!

trumps campaign was framed by the democrats, the cia and the crooked fbi agent's we all know and love......they planted and doctored evidence, they used spies and foreign agents......they illegally leaked and hatched stings AND GOT CAUGHT!!!

what happened was this, roger stone refused to get framed so they tried to put him in jail. stone refused to make-up dirt about trump so they charged with crimes......HOW SICK IS THAT???

If police plant a gun on you and then you throw in the river, you shouldn't be charged with obstruction......that's basically what muller’s boys did here!

stone should have acid washed his hard drive JUST LIKE HILLARY, right???
apparently that's totally fine???

if you tell your buddy not to cooperate with crooked cops because you're being framed, YOU SHOULDN’T BE CHARGED WITH WITNESS TAMPERING!!!

that’s what they did to stone and stone’s buddy testified he was never even intimidated by stone, so they charge them with making false statements??
you know-how easy it is for the feds to make that charge???

that’s the same charge they slapped michael flynn with.

now new notes we just saw that the fbi released show that the fbi didn't even think flynn was lying (remember, this where president barak obama got involved)

Stone told a so-called lie to congress, but james clapper can lie and get away with it......mccabe can lie to investigators and that's okay! congress can lie to you but you'll get locked up for lying to congress???

shifty schiff lied for three years, that he had evidence of collusion = FALSE!!!

but stone said I didn't collude = TRUE......and he gets charged???

you can't cover up a crime that never happened!!!

CROOKED INVESTIGATIONS ONLY PRODUCE CROOKED CHARGES!!!

you can't frame innocent people and investigate them for crimes they didn't commit and then lock them up when they refuse to go along with your show trial.

jury foreman in the stone trial was a raging TRUMP HATER, also! she was a member of the resistance, she's all over social media disparaging donald trump......SHE HATES HIM! but she lies her way on to the jury and gets caught covering upper bias so the juries tainted......right?

NO = the obama appointed judge is okay with it......what a joke!

Now I'll be honest, stone’s no saint! he’s been playing in the gutter for decades, but it doesn't make them a criminal......he’s just a political operator and somewhat of an opportunist! there's guys like stone all over the political world on the left and on the right.

hillary paid a foreign operative MILLIONS to interfere in the election and smear trump with russian disinformation. she bought a warrant so OBAMA could spy on the TRUMP campaign!

IT WAS ALL FAKE, but the media doesn't talk about that because they were in on it!!!!!!!!!!

that's ten times worse than what they say stone did!!!!!!!!!!

now, I also don’t want to hear democrats crowing about the rule of law either, as I said before, pardon power is perfectly legal!!! but here's the point, the left spent the last two months looking the other way, alluding and encouraging mobs to rip down the public property in the middle-of-the-night...statues...the left let radicals create their own country in the middle of seattle.

And, didn't make a move on it until after two black americans were murdered......the rule of law, really?

Biden son was bribed by the chinese in the ukrainians, the saudis were sending clinton foundation millions then they murdered someone in their embassy......did hillary send the money back???

did james comey uphold the rule of law and the fbi doctored evidence to legally spy on the TRUMP campaign?”

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Would you kindly inform them of the fact that a graduate of multiple world-ranked universities who grew up in a Working-Class ethnic immigrant neighborhood in a rust belt city in the American Midwest (that being myself!) fully agrees with them?

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No. i try to avoid politics talk with pretty much all my immediate family these days.
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Tom Friedman's opinion column on The New York Times from July 7:


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Biden Should Not Debate Trump Unless...
Here are two conditions the Democrat should set.


I worry about Joe Biden debating Donald Trump. He should do it only under two conditions. Otherwise, he’s giving Trump unfair advantages.

First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website. Trump must, too. No more gifting Trump something he can attack while hiding his own questionable finances.

And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.

Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?


Yes, the fact that we have to make truth-telling an explicit condition is an incredibly sad statement about our time; normally such things are unspoken and understood. But if the past teaches us anything, Trump might very well lie and mislead for the entire debate, forcing Biden to have to spend a majority of his time correcting Trump before making his own points.

That is not a good way for Biden to reintroduce himself to the American people. And, let’s not kid ourselves, these debates will be his reintroduction to most Americans, who have neither seen nor heard from him for months if not years.


Because of Covid-19, Biden has been sticking close to home, wearing a mask and social distancing. And with the coronavirus now spreading further, and Biden being a responsible individual and role model, it’s likely that he won’t be able to engage with any large groups of voters before Election Day. Therefore, the three scheduled televised debates, which will garner huge audiences, will carry more weight for him than ever.

He should not go into such a high-stakes moment ceding any advantages to Trump. Trump is badly trailing in the polls, and he needs these debates much more than Biden does to win over undecided voters. So Biden needs to make Trump pay for them in the currency of transparency and fact-checking — universal principles that will level the playing field for him and illuminate and enrich the debates for all citizens.

Of course, Trump will stomp and protest and say, “No way.” Fine. Let Trump cancel. Let Trump look American voters in the eye and say: “There will be no debate, because I should be able to continue hiding my tax returns from you all, even though I promised that I wouldn’t and even though Biden has shown you his. And there will be no debate, because I should be able to make any statement I want without any independent fact-checking.”


If Trump says that, Biden can retort: “Well, that’s not a debate then, that’s a circus. If that’s what you want, why don’t we just arm wrestle or flip a coin to see who wins?”

I get why Republican senators and Fox News don’t press Trump on his taxes or call out his lies. They’re afraid of him and his base and unconcerned about the truth. But why should Biden, or the rest of us, play along?

After all, these issues around taxes and truth are more vital than ever for voters to make an informed choice.

Trump, you will recall, never sold his Trump Organization holdings or put them into a blind trust — as past presidents did with their investments — to avoid any conflicts of interest. Rather, his assets are in a revocable trust, whose trustees are his eldest son, Donald Jr., and Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer. Which is a joke.

Trump promised during the last campaign to release his tax returns after an I.R.S. “audit” was finished. Which turned out to have been another joke.

Once elected, Trump claimed that the American people were not interested in seeing his tax returns. Actually, we are now more interested than ever — and not just because it’s utterly unfair that Biden go into the debate with all his income exposed (he and his wife, Jill, earned more than $15 million in the two years after they left the Obama administration, largely from speaking engagements and books) while Trump doesn’t have to do the same.

There must be something in those tax returns that Trump really does not want the American public to see. It may be just silly — that he’s actually not all that rich. It may have to do with the fact that foreign delegations and domestic lobbyists, who want to curry favor with him, stay in his hotel in Washington or use it for corporate entertaining.


Or, more ominously, it may be related to Trump’s incomprehensible willingness to give Russian President Vladimir Putin the benefit of every doubt for the last three-plus years. Virtually every time there has been a major public dispute between Putin and U.S. intelligence agencies alleging Russian misdeeds — including, of late, that the Kremlin offered bounties for the killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan — Trump has sided with Putin.

The notion that Putin may have leverage over him is not crazy, given little previous hints by his sons.

As Michael Hirsh recalled in a 2018 article in Foreign Policy about how Russian money helped to save the Trump empire from bankruptcy: “In September 2008, at the ‘Bridging U.S. and Emerging Markets Real Estate’ conference in New York, the president’s eldest son, Donald Jr., said: ‘In terms of high-end product influx into the United States, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.’”

The American people need to know if Trump is in debt in any way to Russian banks and financiers who might be close to Putin. Because if Trump is re-elected, and unconstrained from needing to run again, he will most likely act even more slavishly toward Putin, and that is a national security threat.

At the same time, debating Trump is unlike debating any other human being. Trump literally lies as he breathes, and because he has absolutely no shame, there are no guardrails. According to the Fact Checker team at The Washington Post, between Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017, and May 29, 2020, he made 19,127 false or misleading claims.

Biden has been dogged by bone-headed issues of plagiarism in his career, but nothing compared to Trump’s daily fire hose of dishonesty, which has no rival in U.S. presidential history. That’s why it’s so important to insist that the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates hire independent fact-checkers who, after the two candidates give their closing arguments — but before the debate goes off the air — would present a rundown of any statements that were false or only partly true.

Only if leading into the debate, American voters have a clear picture of Trump’s tax returns alongside Biden’s, and only if, coming out of the debate, they have a clear picture of who was telling the truth and who was not, will they be able to make a fair judgment between the two candidates.


That kind of debate and only that kind of debate would be worthy of voters’ consideration and Biden’s participation.

Otherwise, Joe, stay in your basement.
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As much as I abhor the current activities of the republican party and am mind boggled why anyone would vote for them unless you think millionaires should get tax cuts regardless of the cost to social cohesion, or you choose to gleefully disregard what verifiable data says about the sustainability of life. I also don't understand why people hold on to this delusion that maintaining an interest in certain margins of the entertainment industries is equal to political activism or a means to instigate profound egalitarian change in society.


 
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Political discourse that happens in the arts is just a bunch of people agreeing with each other that such and such a thing is bad.
Yes. I'm afraid I do agree with you on this. And all that nice talk and no action rarely materialises into actual positive changes.
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Old 07.13.2020, 11:33 AM   #8897
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so how are the delusional in this thread contorting themselves to justify or deny or excuse the dotard’s attacks against dr. fauci? are you gonna post us links to some conspiracy website? or make some bullshit claim and try to justify it because you went to some “great universities”? lololololol

don’t worry answering, i’m not reading your nonsense except when others quote you. i just wanted to make a point that (in my opinion) you’re complete assholes.
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Old 07.13.2020, 02:19 PM   #8898
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what went wrong in these people's lives that makes them hate so much?
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Old 07.13.2020, 03:49 PM   #8899
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This is so fucking absurd - if you don't like the guy, FIRE HIM you wimpy-ass little orange Dotard bitch. He works for you! Weren't you famous for firing people?
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Old 07.13.2020, 04:55 PM   #8900
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This is so fucking absurd - if you don't like the guy, FIRE HIM you wimpy-ass little orange Dotard bitch. He works for you! Weren't you famous for firing people?

Don't think he can. Least it's not down to him.
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