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Old 04.01.2008, 11:39 AM   #1
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Every man gotta right to decide his own destiny,
And in this judgement there is no partiality.
So arm in arms, with arms, we'll fight this little struggle,
'Cause that's the only way we can overcome our little trouble.

Brother, you're right, you're right,
You're right, you're right, you're so right!
We gon' fight (we gon' fight), we'll have to fight (we gon' fight),
We gonna fight (we gon' fight), fight for our rights!

Natty Dread it in-a (Zimbabwe);
Set it up in (Zimbabwe);
Mash it up-a in-a Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe);
Africans a-liberate (Zimbabwe), yeah.

No more internal power struggle;
We come together to overcome the little trouble.
Soon we'll find out who is the real revolutionary,
'Cause I don't want my people to be contrary.

And, brother, you're right, you're right,
You're right, you're right, you're so right!
We'll 'ave to fight (we gon' fight), we gonna fight (we gon' fight)
We'll 'ave to fight (we gon' fight), fighting for our rights!

Mash it up in-a (Zimbabwe);
Natty trash it in-a (Zimbabwe);
Africans a-liberate Zimbabwe (Zimbabwe);
I'n'I a-liberate Zimbabwe.



To divide and rule could only tear us apart;
In everyman chest, mm - there beats a heart.
So soon we'll find out who is the real revolutionaries;
And I don't want my people to be tricked by mercenaries.

Brother, you're right, you're right,
You're right, you're right, you're so right!
We'll 'ave to fight (we gon' fight), we gonna fight (we gon' fight),
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Zimbabwe's rivals neck and neck




 
Some newspaper vendors are selling papers for three times the cover price

Almost two-thirds of Zimbabwe's parliamentary results have been declared, with the ruling party and opposition very close.
Zanu-PF has 64 seats, while the opposition has 67, with 79 yet to come.
In the presidential race, there is increasing speculation that a run-off may be needed between President Robert Mugabe and his rival Morgan Tsvangirai.
This is the projection from both an independent monitoring group and what Zanu-PF sources have told Reuters.
The electoral commission has urged people to be patient while Saturday's votes are checked.
Mr Tsvangirai's Movement for Democratic Change says he won and the delay is to allow the outcome to be rigged.





 
ELECTION RESULTS SO FAR
Parliamentary constituencies
MDC-Tsvangirai: 62
Zanu-PF: 64
Breakaway MDC faction: 5
Yet to declare: 79

Presidential results
None so far
Winner needs more than 50% to avoid run-off

Source: ZEC

Results according to ZESN:
Morgan Tsvangirai, MDC: 49%
Robert Mugabe, Zanu-PF: 42%
Simba Makoni, Independent: 8%




Key role for security chiefs
Voters react to delays

More than half the parliamentary results have been released, with Zanu-PF and the MDC very close.
Five of the opposition seats have gone to a breakaway faction of the MDC.
A BBC correspondent inside Zimbabwe says people are finding the delay difficult to accept, as they can see the results of local voting posted at polling stations throughout the country.
The streets of the capital, Harare, have been quiet, but security in parts of the city is tight.
Zimbabweans are eager to know the results and the AFP news agency reports that newspaper vendors have been selling papers at three times the cover price.
Mr Mugabe insisted that the vote would be free and fair.
A Zanu-PF spokesman says Mr Mugabe is heading for re-election, but would accept defeat.
Neither Mr Mugabe nor Mr Tsvangirai have appeared in public since the election.
'Coup d'etat'
Dimitrij Rupel, foreign minister of Slovenia, which holds the European Union presidency, has called on Mr Mugabe to step down, AFP reports.
"If Mr Mugabe continues, it will be a coup d'etat," he said in Brussels after addressing MPs at the European Parliament.



Hebson Makuvise
MDC London spokesman



BBC hears hopes of change
Brown: World is watching

Earlier, foreign ministers from seven European Union countries "called on the Zimbabwean Electoral Commission to swiftly announce all official election results, especially the results of the presidential election".
The Zimbabwe Election Support Network (ZESN) says Mr Tsvangirai got 49% of the vote, against 42% for Mr Mugabe and 8% for independent candidate Simba Makoni.
If correct, these results would mean a run-off would be required within three weeks.
It based its projected results on a sample of 435 of the 9,000 polling stations, which it says were analysed by independent statisticians.
ZESN head Noel Kututwa said "the public needs to know, everyone is anxious to know who their next president is going to be".
Rumours
Two Zanu-PF sources told Reuters news agency that their party's projections were similar, with 48% for Mr Tsvangirai, against 43% for Mr Mugabe.
"We are looking at a re-run," the source said.





 
Activists from both sides have been celebrating the partial results

However, BBC correspondent Peter Greste urges these figures to be treated with caution, as the ruling party is divided at the moment.
The MDC claims Mr Tsvangirai has won 60% of the presidential vote, against 30% for President Robert Mugabe.
MDC spokesman in London Hebson Makuvise has vehemently denied a report that talks are underway between opposition and ruling party officials about the possibility of Mr Mugabe stepping down.
"There is nothing like that," he told the BBC.
He also said that the MDC would reject the official results unless Mr Tsvangirai was declared the winner.
"If there's a run-off, Mugabe will unleash violence, like in previous elections."
Marwick Khumalo, head of the Pan-African Parliament observer mission, told South African radio on Tuesday that some senior Zanu-PF officials were contemplating life after Mr Mugabe. "I was talking to some of the big-wigs in the ruling party and they also are concerned about the possibility of a change of guard," he said.
Rumours have circulated as people await results, and government has been forced to deny speculation that Mr Mugabe, who has been in power since 1980, had gone to Malaysia or was planning to impose a state of emergency.
Presidential, House of Assembly, Senate and local elections were all held on Saturday, and election officials say that this is why results have been slow to come.





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Old 04.01.2008, 11:45 AM   #2
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Marley and the wailers perfomed at the Zimbabwe Independence Celebrations in 1980, I was searching for a clip from the song zimbabwe, performed in Zimbabwe, on Independence day before 500,000 people, it is prophecy in motion. That song was written in 1978, when Zimbabwe was still Rhodesia, and it is a miracle for the man to have been able to sing its words in new Zimbabwe. It is a shame what has happened since then.
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Old 04.01.2008, 11:48 AM   #3
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I hope everything will turn out well and Tsvangirai will manage to win it. The country desperatly needs to throw that old fucker Mugabe down. I hope however by no means believe it.
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Old 04.01.2008, 11:53 AM   #4
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if ever there was a need for the international community to do something about a tyrant its in zimbabwe and mugabe. instead we sit back and do nothing. does the fact that the country doesnt sit on a lake of oil have anything to do with it, amongst other things that is?
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its not just as simple as Mugabe. removing mugabe at this point is about as effective as removing bush. Bush is not the problem in America, americans are the problem in america. bush is not some evil, secret dictator who stole the country, we gave it to him. He didn't do anything, the government and the people under his signpost leadership perpetuated the america we know today, full of militarism, prison building, destabilization of the educational system, removal of necessary social services, and the censorship of free press, all signs of a police state and facism. well Mugabe is not some monolythic evil tyrant in Zimbabwe, rather just as in America, Zimbabwe as given up on its dreams and ideals, and sunk to a level of corruption that tops even Rhodes ambitions. It costs tens of millions of dollars to buy a loaf of bread in Zimbabwe

 
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its not just as simple as Mugabe. removing mugabe at this point is about as effective as removing bush. Bush is not the problem in America, americans are the problem in america. bush is not some evil, secret dictator who stole the country, we gave it to him. He didn't do anything, the government and the people under his signpost leadership perpetuated the america we know today, full of militarism, prison building, destabilization of the educational system, removal of necessary social services, and the censorship of free press, all signs of a police state and facism. well Mugabe is not some monolythic evil tyrant in Zimbabwe, rather just as in America, Zimbabwe as given up on its dreams and ideals, and sunk to a level of corruption that tops even Rhodes ambitions. It costs tens of millions of dollars to buy a loaf of bread in Zimbabwe



 

he did buldoze whole neighborhoods, with some people still inside their houses. his secret police also routinely beat people, especially those who stand up against anything that differs to his opinion or party line. many people 'go missing' and the economy is the worst in the world with inflation running at 100,000%.
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if ever there was a need for the international community to do something about a tyrant its in zimbabwe and mugabe. instead we sit back and do nothing. does the fact that the country doesnt sit on a lake of oil have anything to do with it, amongst other things that is?

you are absolutely true. him and kim-jong il in North Korea.
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you are absolutely true. him and kim-jong il in North Korea.

they have nukes so not a chance, anyone see why iran wants them now? would we have fucked with iraq if they really did have nuclear weapons ready to go within 45 minutes?
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they have nukes so not a chance, anyone see why iran wants them now? would we have fucked with iraq if they really did have nuclear weapons ready to go within 45 minutes?

that's true, but I guess something needs to be done in Korea too, if we don't want half the population to die of hunger.
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he did buldoze whole neighborhoods, with some people still inside their houses. his secret police also routinely beat people, especially those who stand up against anything that differs to his opinion or party line. many people 'go missing' and the economy is the worst in the world with inflation running at 100,000%.

you missed my point, yes he has done some shit, terrible acts of state sponsered terrorism against civilians and internal military targets alike, however, it is not like Mugabe acts alone in this. all the elements of his government and society which support him, they are to blame. and even when Mugabe is out, these will remain, and their corruption and brutality will continue. This is exactly the case with America, only the politician figureheads change faces and names, the actual powers and be, in our society, in our political infrastructure, in our institutions, and in our economies, these continue to perpetuate inequality and full fledged evil.
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