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Old 07.09.2007, 09:13 PM   #41
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Old 07.09.2007, 09:37 PM   #42
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Old 07.09.2007, 09:59 PM   #44
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If economics is the study of human behavior, it's a very limited view....an extreme case of tunnel vision that considers only certain motivations from a particular cultural viewpoint. Human behavior is infinitely more complicated than the view taken by economics, which makes basic assumptions about social choice and the maximization of utility, and reduces human behavior down to mechanical, perfunctory decisions. I'm not saying it's not useful, but THE study of human behavior it isn't.
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If economics is the study of human behavior, it's a very limited view....an extreme case of tunnel vision that considers only certain motivations from a particular cultural viewpoint. Human behavior is infinitely more complicated than the view taken by economics, which makes basic assumptions about social choice and the maximization of utility, and reduces human behavior down to mechanical, perfunctory decisions. I'm not saying it's not useful, but THE study of human behavior it isn't.

that's right. it's the study of human behavior in the context of scarcity.
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Old 07.09.2007, 11:25 PM   #47
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i never said it was 'THE study of human behavior', and when hayden brought up psych, i never said to disregard it, but we arent talking about psych....the thing i quoted before from wiki was talking about economic anthropology....it is a basis, an 'origin' if you will...without human behavior, what would economics be?
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Old 07.10.2007, 03:15 AM   #48
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i never said it was 'THE study of human behavior', and when hayden brought up psych, i never said to disregard it, but we arent talking about psych....the thing i quoted before from wiki was talking about economic anthropology....it is a basis, an 'origin' if you will...without human behavior, what would economics be?
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you hippies dont know shit about economics....and economics is the study of human behavior, which means you dont know shit about yourselves or anyone else.

And second, yes, economics involves human beings. You've successfully proven that economics was not given to us by aliens. Really, what are you talking about? Most of the comments made here were about capitalism's (which is a critique of a sytem of economics, not economics as a whole) nature to reward and encourage unethical actions but you called us hippies who don't know what we're talking about. But if I had to peg down a point in your ellipses-choked nonsense, I think you are attempting to justify capitalism by saying that economics is a result of human nature. True, but what isn't and how does this exempt it from being morally accountable? Murder has a basis in human nature, even more so than economics. Does that mean that I should be allowed to murder a man right now? No. Your point is irrelevant and you're an idiot.
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Old 07.10.2007, 04:27 AM   #49
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the system isn't that bad.. just the all-i-want-is-your-fucking-money people..
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Old 07.10.2007, 05:46 AM   #50
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And second, yes, economics involves human beings. You've successfully proven that economics was not given to us by aliens. Really, what are you talking about? Most of the comments made here were about capitalism's (which is a critique of a sytem of economics, not economics as a whole) nature to reward and encourage unethical actions but you called us hippies who don't know what we're talking about. But if I had to peg don't a point in your ellipses-choked nonsense, I think you are attempting to justify capitalism by saying that economics is a result of human nature. True, but what isn't and how does this exempt it from being morally accountable? Murder has a basis in human nature, even more so than economics. Does that mean that I should be allowed to murder a man right now? No. Your point is irrelevant and you're an idiot.

Come now...."THE study of human behavior" is extremely different from "...is the study of human behavior"...this is stupid that you even forced me to differentiate between the 2, but doesn't "THE" imply an absolute? Meaning 'the' in ALL CAPS implies an absolute...just to be clear.

Also, my first post in this thread was semi-jest...I thought my use of 'hippies' and my irreverent nonsensical tone might imply that...i dont even remember what the 1st page of this thread is about...i'll go back and read it and see if i was trying to make a point...
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Old 07.10.2007, 06:05 AM   #51
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ok looking back now, I know why I said it...the first page is just discouraging...the posts by you {bradley}, and cardinal rob, and sarramkrop, and racehorse were probably what made me say what i said...

Rob said: "Once the money gets a higher priority than the people, we know we have a problem."....and this is probably what irked me into responding with econ being about human behaviour (ie-people/people's choices)...and capitalism even more so, as it is essentially freedom of choice (in economic thought)....

you writing:"school of thought that promotes greed and impatience as virtues and modesty and compassion as vices."...also ties into my human behavior post...there is nothing wrong with the economic principle, but rather, the corrupt people who are in charge of big businesses...And people are greedy and impatient and uncompassionate in any walk of life, why is it surprising that this also spills into economics?

I dont even know why I responded to this in the first place...its all been said before....Bush is destroying the earth, capitalism is destroying the earth, America is destroying the earth...etc, etc...ad nauseum...yawn....
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If economics is the study of human behavior, it's a very limited view....an extreme case of tunnel vision that considers only certain motivations from a particular cultural viewpoint. Human behavior is infinitely more complicated than the view taken by economics, which makes basic assumptions about social choice and the maximization of utility, and reduces human behavior down to mechanical, perfunctory decisions. I'm not saying it's not useful, but THE study of human behavior it isn't.

What you are basically saying is that they are two different studies but are irremediably tied to each other. In any case, I'm already bored of this discussion. It's only the internet , after all.
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Hey, all i know is Adam Smith is turning over in his grave right now over his ideas of capitalism being so bastardized b/c it was about a nation's interests. We could use some good ol' nationalism in this area. It's the same old story when people with money and power at the top have free reign at the expense of the nations interest. That's why immigration is a disaster, outsourcing and the like..and right now the govt is in bed with these people..
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you writing:"school of thought that promotes greed and impatience as virtues and modesty and compassion as vices."...also ties into my human behavior post...there is nothing wrong with the economic principle, but rather, the corrupt people who are in charge of big businesses...And people are greedy and impatient and uncompassionate in any walk of life, why is it surprising that this also spills into economics?
I never said I was surprised at the existence of corruption. I'm surprised by how the system naturally promotes corruption. There's a difference. Greed is what drives capitalism, there is no doubt to this point. It operates under the assumption that everyone operates in their own self interest, which is a kind way of saying Greed. It doesn't spill in, it is generated. This greed then goes on to inspire more injustices.

But whatever, I'm tired of talking business ethics.
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yeah!

those people always exist though, in all systems. In socialist systems, they are the leaders and bureaucrats.

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Hey, all i know is Adam Smith is turning over in his grave right now over his ideas of capitalism being so bastardized b/c it was about a nation's interests. We could use some good ol' nationalism in this area. It's the same old story when people with money and power at the top have free reign at the expense of the nations interest. That's why immigration is a disaster, outsourcing and the like..and right now the govt is in bed with these people..

No, no, no, no, no. You couldn't be more wrong! Adam Smith crafted his treatise on the Wealth of Nations to illustrate all the reasons why nationalist economic systems don't work. The global economic system prior to Smith was one of mercantilism - in which nations hoarded gold and favored & protected their industries - often poorly performing ones. (we still have a lot of work to do in this area, as we continue to subsidize the hell out of a multitude of industries.)

You have to remember that he was writing in a time before global communication and travel was as easy as it is today. Back in his time, some global trading would have been much more difficult and much more expensive - the technology just didn't exist yet. He lived in an agrarian society, and his examples were skewed to that life. The principles that he argued have absolutely nothing to do with keeping economic systems within political boundaries.

Smith and David Ricardo showed us two things (among many more): first - that gold does not equal wealth, and second - the concept of comparative advantage. They showed us precisely why we shouldn't protect domestic industries if a peaceful trading partner could perform with lower opportunity costs. They both knew that nations are artificial, even though they didn't explicitly state it.

Smith was, on the other hand, very wary of capitalists - not the capitalist system though. He saw them as a necessary evil. He said we should always be concerned when capitalists meet together because it usually ends with them conspiring to raise prices. Smith also had some other anti-complete free market sentiments. Many people and economists agree with him, many don't.
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