[max]

easy access to oil?

why the fuck should AMERIKKKA be the one to easily access Iraq's oil? where is it written? who said so?

crypto, you're a total nutcase. period.

Rob, while I agree with most of the things you wrote, you should know by now that the reasons why USA went in there were all false (BUSH LIED, no WMDs, no nukes, no nothing... got it yet?), and the govt. did so merely to:

1) fuel fear within domestic territory
2) gain access to oil reserves
3) increase sales of weaponry


so what does the world do as the US infringes article 51 of the UN charter (http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/bt-un51.htm) ...?

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

You're a nutcase.

why dont you go worry/whine about your own government?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

i have friends in the army, no relatives though

i mean, i hope they come home soon, but they joined the armed forces for a reason
it was their choice to join
you know?
it still doesnt change my opinion.

i understand mon, the question though is -- what's the plan for those troops? what are they supposed to be doing? go kicking doors block by block until the whole of iraq is secured? it's not going to happen-- it can't happen.

i ask you to consider-- if those troops stay-- what are they supposed to be doing?? what's the plan??

--

and about people who choose to be in the army, think of this: even heros can serve shitty causes. you don't think there were a lot of heros in the german army in wwII? soldiers should not be put in the service of lies. it's a crime.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

mmm...

i dont know the plan, or if there IS one
but i know we should do SOMETHING to fix the current situation

i'm not saying we were wrong or right for invading iraq...
all im saying is that we're there, we fucked shit up, and we have to fix it
we just cant get up and leave...
at LEAST try to fix shit up

someone mentioned sending in UN troops or something
Fine, do that
but until then, keep our troops there

i dont know
i feel for the soldiers
but they knew what they what they signed up for
like i said, i dont have any relatives in iraq, but i do have 3 friends
i miss them and wish they would come back soon, but it still doesnt change my opinion

we MUST stay in iraq until someone/something fixes this "mess"

[!@#$%!]

but what if
a) the mess can't be fixed
b) american troops actually contribute to the mess i.e. make it worse

??

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

well, we wont know until we try
at least stay in there for another 2 years.
or bring in the UN troops.

[SynthethicalY]

My brother is there, I want him to come home. But I do see the point that everything is screwed up. We really need to have a strategy for this.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

I wish the best for your brother, bro
Let's hope this mess gets cleared up soon

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

well, we wont know until we try
at least stay in there for another 2 years.
or bring in the UN troops.

yes try but try what?? see the "what" is the problem.

i believe the longer the u.s. troops stay the longer they postpone the inevitable demise of iraq. it's going to be like yugoslavia splintering into serbia, montenegro, croatia, and bosnia. remember bosnia?

if at least there was a policy change, but trying to artificially hold iraq together is a pipe dream. those guys are determined to fight each other and it's going to be civil war or a new tyranny.

ok here's an argument for keeping the troops there: to keep iraq from falling into iranian hands. could happen... will happen eventually i think. though a lot of iraquis hate iran because of their past wars.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

i dont know.

edit: i'll ask my dad tommorow

[luxinterior]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

i dont know.

I love this post!

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

you'll like the edited version even better

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Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

you'll like the edited version even better

hey! you said you'd ask your dad!!

i hope your dad's name is wittgenstein:

What one cannot speak of, one must remain silent about.

[Tokolosh]

Originally Posted by max

easy access to oil?

why the fuck should AMERIKKKA be the one to easily access Iraq's oil? where is it written? who said so?

I don't like the idea either, but lets be honest, the main reason why they're there is because of the oil.

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Pulling out in the near future would give America an even worse name than it already has, and would look like defeat in the eyes of the middle east.
At least wait till the UN peace keepers arrive, 'cause at the end of the day, the ones that will suffer the most from a withdrawl, will be Iraqi civilians. Do we have to be reminded of what Saddam's regime did to the kurds, when they got the chance?
Lets not forget that the general public dread the thought of US and European troops leaving Iraq.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

I don't like the idea either, but lets be honest, the main reason why they're there is because of the oil.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Pulling out in the near future would give America an even worse name than it already has, and would look like defeat in the eyes of the middle east.
At least wait till the UN peace keepers arrive, 'cause at the end of the day, the ones that will suffer the most from a withdrawl, will be Iraqi civilians. Do we have to be reminded of what Saddam's regime did to the kurds, when they got the chance?
Lets not forget that the general public dread the thought of US and European troops leaving Iraq.

yes toko it's fucked up, the civil war is already underway... i suppose the u.s. can be a stabilizing force, but that would require a permanent presence in iraq. unlike, say, south korea, i'm not sure this is a workable plan.

retreat btw is the most difficult of military manoeuvers and this cannot be done hastily.

[atari 2600]

The troop withdrawal bill may have the votes in the House, but will not have the necessary 2/3 majority in the Senate to override Bush's presidential veto, so it most likely isn't going to happen anyway.

Know your representatives. If your representatives are fence-straddling or if they are still for the war, then write them.
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

As we know, recently the electorate wisely put more Democrats in office to rein-in Bush/Cheney's reign of terror somewhat, but unfortunately, we also failed to put quite enough Democrats into office to truly address the runaway power of the Executive branch.

[gmku]

Stop the war! Stop the war!

Hey, hey, LBJ! How many children did you kill today. (Oh, flashback to wrong era.)

Hell, no, we won't go.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

Originally Posted by atari 2600

The troop withdrawal bill may have the votes in the House, but will not have the necessary 2/3 majority in the Senate to override Bush's presidential veto, so it most likely isn't going to happen anyway.

*air guitar*


like toko mentioned up there, we should at least wait for the UN troops to come in

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Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

*air guitar*


like toko mentioned up there, we should at least wait for the UN troops to come in

yes, but what UN troops, after bush gutted the UN and spit on its face? appointing bolton, in whatever temporary basis, was a further step in alienating the UN.

bush is the most incompetent president ever. shame on the people who voted for him, especially the second time.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

get over it