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Old Today, 05:01 AM   #301
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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah, I feel this.
And itís not just hip-hop. Thereís culture trolling in whatever passes for passable rock music in the mainstream, too (The 1975 for some reason?) and itís all a bit much.
I mean, Iím a pretty cynical motherfucker too, and all my musical favorites have some degree of iconoclasm permanently lodged in their identities (Lou Reed to RDJ to SY to whoever), but being provocative and iconoclastic seems to, in the late 2010s, mean essentially being an edgelord button-pusher with no portion of authenticity to their ďact.Ē

Like JPEG or Tyler or Lana Del Rey or whatever. So much of it is just ďlet me see how much I can fuck with people and how many horrible things I can get away with saying before people call me outĒ
And if you call them out, watch out, because ďkids todayĒ will eat your fucking face. Because it is now socially unacceptable in a lot of circles to take anything seriously.

I mean, itís hard for an older fuck like me to reconcile my dislike of this stuff with my appreciation and respect for punk and the punk spirit. But this is different terrain, really.
pretty much this, loathe to use the term virtue signalling but it seems like that for so many artists. not sure why I'm not as reticent to engage with it as applies to older stuff (reed is a good example, a lot of industrial has a similar tendency) but I suppose it's a perceived authenticity on my end? like an implicit understanding that they were more genuine in their identity -- iconoclastic as you say -- but now it's simply a ploy.
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Old Today, 08:44 AM   #302
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Heroes cornballs, first track is like jesus forgive me I'm a thot?

I skipped around through several tracks. I just heard 90s style hip hop. I didn't hear any sound collages.

I honestly think there’s a misunderstanding here somewhere.
There are only fleeting rap flows on the album, and few that last more than a few seconds. It’s all over the place. I think one of the last things I would associate it with is ‘90s hip-hop — like, Wu-Tang? Tupac? Tribe? — because none of it sounds anything like that to me.

It’s a bit like Death Grips meets Aphex Twin’s compositional habits circa “Ventolin” remixes, with a little R&B and boyband-type shit tossed in at random intervals and an awful lot of just disparate sounds chucked in here and there.

I mean honestly it’s an interesting listen. This is a guy who named a song after voting for Donald Trump after all, and he’s a massive troll, but sonically it’s pure insanity. The fact that it’s immensely popular is ... either incredible or suspect, I can’t quite decide which.

Veteran is more straight forward, and better as an album, but even that record sounds nothing like ‘90s hip-hop to me. *shrug*
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I honestly think thereís a misunderstanding here somewhere.
There are only fleeting rap flows on the album, and few that last more than a few seconds. Itís all over the place. I think one of the last things I would associate it with is Ď90s hip-hop ó like, Wu-Tang? Tupac? Tribe? ó because none of it sounds anything like that to me.

Itís a bit like Death Grips meets Aphex Twinís compositional habits circa ďVentolinĒ remixes, with a little R&B and boyband-type shit tossed in at random intervals and an awful lot of just disparate sounds chucked in here and there.

I mean honestly itís an interesting listen. This is a guy who named a song after voting for Donald Trump after all, and heís a massive troll, but sonically itís pure insanity. The fact that itís immensely popular is ... either incredible or suspect, I canít quite decide which.

Veteran is more straight forward, and better as an album, but even that record sounds nothing like Ď90s hip-hop to me. *shrug*

You can attribute a lot of that popularity to The Needle Drop I suspect
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