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Old 10.13.2016, 02:46 PM   #1201
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Not exactly sure what you're referring to--televised US presidential debates? I didn't say "since 1960" because even though that was the first one, there was a sixteen year gap until they became a permanent part of the landscape in 1976. And I've seen taped portions of the 1960 debate--Kennedy and Nixon acted more or less like adults. I didn't think Nixon had it in him.

If you mean US presidential debates in general, I think Lincoln's debates were of a much higher quality than the ones on television.

As for debates in general, a proper debate, where one side supports a premise and the other attacks it, can be very enlightening and bears no relationship to Andre The Giant threatening Hulk Hogan.

Referring to debates in general, they always have just been an excuse and opportunity to create press releases and press copy for mass distribution, basically fodder for journalists and editors.. sure the television aspect changed the dynamics from just what is said to how it is delivered including things like tone of voice and body language BUT in the 21st century there is so much saturation coverage on TV and visual media that again now even TV debates are no longer necessary or functional.

The Lincoln-Douglass debates a perfect example of how the debate format is just a 19th century publicity stunt, transcripts and excerpts from this dominated the media coverage of the election of 1860, indeed Lincoln himself had it published as a book in time for the Election.
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Old 10.13.2016, 02:50 PM   #1202
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@ suchfriends - i see how he made a splash by celebrity but his endurance is something else. i'll look for that frontline.

Remember the TV version of Trump had lasting success across several YEARS and was happening in tandem and simultaneously with the development of Fox News type sectarian programming.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/ (two hours very well spent)

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btw did you read hillbilly elegy?

No but I will check it out mos def, so long as it doesn't read as an apologist narrative (like so many discussions of white racial identity politics in US)
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Old 10.13.2016, 02:55 PM   #1203
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it's not hatred but righteous indignation.
...so stop behave like a spoiled brat
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of course i own a passport
really? i am surprised
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is a gangster emperor for life and trump wants to be like him. fuck that shit. not in this country.

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Old 10.13.2016, 03:02 PM   #1204
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...so stop behave like a spoiled brat

really? i am surprised

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so what happens if i tell you i have 2 passports? you'll have a seizure?
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want to point out because its easy to forget but EVERY VALUE that right wingers prescribe eg. pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is not something they actually abide by. mostly these ideologies appeal to stupid rich people realizing the money has run out and staring reality in the face having suffered shocks to their sensations of control and power. at best they are ideals they admire in others. never have a met any right winger who lived by the shit they espoused. they are more likely to be old/lazy/greedy/rich etc.

again, its about seeing others suffer. when they see a foreigner do well because he's hard working they cannot fucking stand it.
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Remember the TV version of Trump had lasting success across several YEARS and was happening in tandem and simultaneously with the development of Fox News type sectarian programming.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/ (two hours very well spent)



No but I will check it out mos def, so long as it doesn't read as an apologist narrative (like so many discussions of white racial identity politics in US)

thanks

and from what i've read (reviews anyway, will check out the library soon) he places the blame squarely on his people

e.g. hating the government and abusing food stamps at the same time
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so what happens if i tell you i have 2 passports? you'll have a seizure?
yeah, i am having one.
question is if you ever used one...
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yeah, i am having one.
question is if you ever used one...
pffffft dumb troll

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thanks

and from what i've read (reviews anyway, will check out the library soon) he places the blame squarely on his people

e.g. hating the government and abusing food stamps at the same time


http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cul...r-white-people

here is a great in-depth review (with extensive quotes) which I found interesting.. it seems the text goes back and forth between apologizing and analyzing, but that is understandable considering its an autobiographical narrative and frankly few white people have the balls to channel their inner Tim Wise and take all the blame without any scapegoating.

I am quasi-interested in this book after reading the quotes, I think I like the premise more so than what the text actually seems to be. I don't need to read about poor white people to learn who they are, i have some experience
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so much hatred. no point argue with you.

I told you I heard about that Washington Post article earlier on CNN (and no it is not lesser of two evils arg.)

because I have opinion on her as being equally dangerous and scared of her makes me nonsense. it is just my opinion man. I have a right to be scared when I see all this anti russian talk coming from her mouth....oh, we got flat tire it must be Russians. maybe it is ok for you, but not for me living in the central Europe. don't give me that putin's boy bullshit! neutral observer? like you over there would not believe anything else unless it is comming out from CNN, are you actually owner of a passport?

I think Overlord Hillary is indeed a frightening war hawk in the same vein as John Kerry and some folks here might remember from all the way back in 2004 when I quite vocally said I preferred Bush II over Kerry (to which i was constantly berated, scandalized, and attacked) because Kerry was a downlow hawk who seemed to want to expand the war machine meanwhile Bush II seemed hamstrung politically.

However, I must confess, I too have accused you of being way too "pro-Russian" in discussions here so I must ask you honestly and openly, why do you seem to have such a positive view or opinion of Russia?

I mean, its everything that is bad in American politics but EXAGGERATED by increased and open corruption! Unnecessary and financially motivated wars around the world.. shady black ops interfering with several nations domestic politics.. absolute corruption to the point of essentially being the world's most lucrative oligarchy.. I mean if you are critical of Hillary or American politics WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU SEEMINGLY SUPPORTING OR SYMPATHETIC TO THE POLITICAL CESSPOOL THAT IS RUSSIA?

(SERIOUS QUESTION, NOT JUST NEEDLESSLY ATTACKING YOU)
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im glad somebody shared this, i been getting a damn good laugh at this all week..

of course none of the "Millenials" are old enough to even remotely get why this is funny even if they are shown the original
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pfffft. you guys don't get yr rocks off by discussing this daily and disgracing the classes you put down?

most of you make awesome points besides #*%&*. he is one big dick brain libtard elitist asshole if there ever was one. see, you're going to die and it doesn't matter. nor the human race. yr DNA tells you to fight to move on and improve but, it's a lost cause. change will happen. good or bad. yr erudite politics and arguments is just sugar for yr brain to make you feel good.
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I saw this and it brought me great joy.
Ethically, I kind of *have* to be opposed to this kind of thing in general, but who the FUCK is impartial anymore anyway? Fox? No. fuckers.

This was good and it was necessary.

But I just interviewed a guy running for local office here, and he's convinced that Hillary's paying off the press. Reading this only made him like Donald Trump MORE. So... that's not ideal. But whatever. Keep 'me coming I say. Paul Ryan needs to speak up and formally support Clinton. You know he wants to.
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Republicans have ALWAYS blamed the press because they can never jusr admit how frequently their candidates, politicians, or political tactics are reprehensible slime
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I love how in this hyperbole era of sports and politics where every team is "the best ever" and every opposing politician is "the worst ever" i find it especially hilarious that so many folks from all sides are suddenly acting like news sources and media never endorsed a candidate before! All over the internet and commentary I hear people complaining about "a lack of neutrality" or "biased reporting" like DUH HAVE YOU PEOPLE NEVER READ THE NEWS BEFORE???????

 
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HO-LEE-FUCK

i'm near the end of this frontline piece and i'm fucking *shocked* and the level of massive scammery that the carnival barker donald trump actually has carried out on the public.

it's INSANE. i had no idea--not of the depth and width of his pre-political fuckery. it's fucking outrageous. he fucked out not only contractors but fooled investors multiple times. i thought he actually had some business success but it's all fucking bullshit. my fucking god.

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HO-LEE-FUCK

i'm near the end of this frontline piece and i'm fucking *shocked* and the level of massive scammery that the carnival barker donald trump actually has carried out on the public.

it's INSANE. i had no idea--not of the depth and width of his pre-political fuckery. it's fucking outrageous. he fucked out not only contractors but fooled investors multiple times. i thought he actually had some business success but it's all fucking bullshit. my fucking god.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fe22c898c854
i found it interesting that it was still very critical of Hillary Clinton's biography BUT it still kinda made her seem a sometimes sympathetic figure which i am not sure was actually what they were trying to do or if she just appears that way when the facts are put out there.
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