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Old 07.29.2016, 05:33 PM   #401
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I think a lot of folks have libertard characteristics. We're all rugged individualists until we need the "village", then we're all in line for the gov't goodies.
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I think a lot of folks have libertard characteristics. We're all rugged individualists until we need the "village", then we're all in line for the gov't goodies.
it might be that, like communism, libertarianism only works on paper-- but still, some nice ideals in the mix

e.g.
http://www.lp.org/how-do-libertarian...mocrats-differ

demilitarize police? no war on drugs? end government spying? sounds good to me.

this is their current platform. it's less absurd than trump's for sure:

https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues

criminal justice reform sounds good to me
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it might be that, like communism, libertarianism only works on paper-- but still, some nice ideals in the mix

e.g.
http://www.lp.org/how-do-libertarian...mocrats-differ

demilitarize police? no war on drugs? end government spying? sounds good to me.

this is their current platform. it's less absurd than trump's for sure:

https://www.johnsonweld.com/issues

criminal justice reform sounds good to me

libertarianism essentially offers a pre-Civil War version of American government and shit we all see how that worked out.

indeed that website you posted is politically deceptive. most Libertarians have a much more extremist ideology about how to actually manifest the ideas in that platform. the platform is written in political speak that attracts certain kind of Democrats and Independents (the Bernie crowd) BUT how Libertarians actually propose to do to meet those goals is literally impossible. they are true conservatives but want to throw back to 19th century romantic idealism
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there's some great "ideals" in just about any political philosophy. But the devil is in the details.

for instance, in the page you cited

"Dramatically reduce government spending now.
Balance the budget now.
No more debt."


absolutely a ruinous policy
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further they completely contradict themselves.

"End the income tax.
Abolish the IRS.Never raise taxes."

how will government pay for anything?

" Return control to parents, teachers, local communities.
Enable high-quality, diversified education.
Allow property taxes to drop."

how will we pay for public education if we drop property taxes??

"Let market set interest rates."

oh yeah because that worked out so well in our history didn't it..

"Repeal Obamacare.
Rescind regulations.
Dramatically lower cost of health care."

and how exactly do they plan to reduce healthcare costs with less government spending and no regulations???

these people are so incoherent and illogical that frankly i think its a deception and manipulation hence politics as usual
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there's some great "ideals" in just about any political philosophy. But the devil is in the details.

for instance, in the page you cited

"Dramatically reduce government spending now.
Balance the budget now.
No more debt."


absolutely a ruinous policy
the national debt is out of hand though

i get how zero debt causes recessions, i do

but also having fled here from south america i know what unpayable debts look like

and ive lived under hyperinflation

right now all we do is kick the can down the road--- thats also ruinous
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the national debt is out of hand though

that is myth perpetuated by Republicans. the debt is more imaginary than impacting. no one is going to demand the bonds and debt be paid, the "creditors" make $ on the interest and the government benefits from the access to cash


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but also having fled here from south america i know what unpayable debts look like

world of difference between American debt and other nation's debt.
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right now all we do is kick the can down the road--- thats also ruinous

that is because we and everyone in the world knows its a wink wink kind of debt. it doesn't really exist. no one is going to actually try and collect 15 trillion dollars.
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that is myth perpetuated by Republicans. the debt is more imaginary than impacting. no one is going to demand the bonds and debt be paid, the "creditors" make $ on the interest and the government benefits from the access to cash




world of difference between American debt and other nation's debt.


that is because we and everyone in the world knows its a wink wink kind of debt. it doesn't really exist. no one is going to actually try and collect 15 trillion dollars.
remember japanz?
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japan is not America, again the entire world benefits from US debt including every American.

anyway

How Much Does America’s Huge National Debt Actually Matter?
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japan is not America, again the entire world benefits from US debt including every American.

anyway

How Much Does America’s Huge National Debt Actually Matter?
yes yes-- i know the argument

but as china started its own answer to the imf/world bank, we'll see what happens to the dollar as reserve currency in the future

i remember when people would go on tv in 2005 to say that there was no housing bubble. ha! ha ha ha!

anyway, this is a slower process, so we'll see in 2 decades

now im on a diff time zone and its friday so i gotta GTFO
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I don't trust Hillary. I would say she sucks but good ol' Bill let us know otherwise.

Trump is a winner that thinks he can keep winning.

don't like either one and hate both parties and each candidate can go fuck off disappear forever and leave me alone blissed out off the grid. so that means I can express not to vote and watch this all go to hell like it should.

politics suck!! let you guys do the arguing and voting for me. see, that's America. kick back. watch with a bag of popcorn while doing nothing. fun stuff though and intellectually muscle flexing but, not for a cretin like me.
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No! America is a hellhole, and it's going down the crapper real fuckin' quick, and the world has no respect for it, and everybody in it is just weak! Why do you hate America?
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hahaha -- as deleuze and guattari put it so well, the paranoid is the fascist

but beware of the danger of not seeing the opponent's perspective-- this is what happened with the brexit-- politicians failing to understand legitimate popular concerns.

both corporate parties have obscured their failure to cope with the challenges that technology and globalization have brought the middle and working classes. the promised land of endless service jobs did not arrive.

where other first-wold countries (e.g. germany) have prospered through a combination of industrial transformation and the concerted cultivation of a highly capable workforce, here in 'merica workers were abandoned to "free market" forces while the young were given infinite debt for random and useless inflated college degrees-- hello indentured servitude.

so while benito drumpf is a fucking casino conman with no real solutions, he's clever enough to speak to disenfranchised workers and appeal to their emotions. same as bernied did from the left. but he won his nomination.

the jobs created arent that great or else get eaten by debt, unemployment doesnt account for withdrawal from the workforce, the deficit may have shrunk but debt has skyrocketed, obamacare is the greatest policy achievement of the century but far from perfect and always under threat and costs keep rising, and we're forever entangled with the middle east in a permanent hatefuck--- now it's isis this and isis that and more surveillance and never-ending war and chinese money burnt on military hardware.

of course voting for clinton/kaine is a matter of duty at this point, and anyone saying otherwise is delusional. but damn, i feel that hillary is gonna pull a gore and we'll end up with some nostradamus-level shitstorm of the millenium.

i console myself only with the thought that human mass extinction will be a great thing for the planet.
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i console myself only with the thought that human mass extinction will be a great thing for the planet.

This election aside, I dug those World Without Humans/Life After People docs. The Earth reconstructing itself. Too bad the next creatures to disappear after humans are 86'd would be our pets, though.

 
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This election aside, I dug those World Without Humans/Life After People docs. The Earth reconstructing itself. Too bad the next creatures to disappear after humans are 86'd would be our pets, though.

 
cats can take care of themselves and where i live dogs go feral--that puppy will be feasting on human entrails very soon!
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don't let the Gore election fool y'all, Bush only "won" because the country was doing so well and Bush advertised himself as a moderate conservative with social values, basically the polar opposite of the Trump campaign. people took the gamble on Bush because less seemed on the line at the time. now? trump supporters are only the 5 minutes till midnight crowd, hyper partisan hyper negative constituency.

only Nixon won on that ticket and frankly that is because most of the country resented the civil rights movement.

i think Trump will continue to hover around 35-40% and that is strictly because of partisan voting block.

Hillary already has that number on lock and all the jaded Bernie fanboys will inevitably vote for her too, so she will probably lock up over 50% and Barry O only needed 53% against a much more popular and electable Mitt Romney.

now personally the bigger problem with Hillary is she is going to have a weak mandate for essentially a NeverTrump platform. bitch could fuck around and sneak in all kinds of crazy shit.

i do believe Democrats will clean house across the board, Congress, Senate, state governors, state legislatures, even mayors and municipalities..

Republican brand destroying itself by abandoning its core values. good riddance
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[...] now? trump supporters are only the 5 minutes till midnight crowd, hyper partisan hyper negative constituency.

only Nixon won on that ticket and frankly that is because most of the country resented the civil rights movement.

What's crazy (well, even crazier) is that while Trump's acceptance speech has been compared to Tricky Dick's own one from 1968, it is impossible to think of Donaldo saying things like Nixon did back then:

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What I call for is not a new isolationism. It is a new internationalism in which America enlists its allies and its friends around the world in those struggles in which their interest is as great as ours.
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Let us increase the wealth of America so that we can provide more generously for the aged; and for the needy; and for all those who cannot help themselves.

Bullshit, of course, but Trump didn't even bother; he just YELLED his fucking hate speech as loud as he could.


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now personally the bigger problem with Hillary is she is going to have a weak mandate for essentially a NeverTrump platform.

That'll depend on the perception of the mandate as dictated by the United States ridiculous electoral college system (and don't even get me started on federalism and why it should NOT apply to the U.S.). If Hillary wins in, say, FORTY states, it won't matter if she wins each of them 50.01% vs 49.99% — it'll be considered an epic landslide anyway.
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