Who do you think is more influential: The Beatles or The Ramones

SonikJesus · 05.19.2009, 08:20 PM

I've been meaning to start this thread for a while now.

I think most people will say the Beatles. I, however, think the Ramones are just as influential and maybe more. What do you guys think and why?

Sonic Youth 37 · 05.19.2009, 08:33 PM

I'm going to go with Ramones due to the sheer number of semi-known or virtually unknown punk bands they've spawned. The Beatles just get named dropped a lot, but I think the world would be a better place if the VU would get the credit they deserve for the late 60s thing.

summer · 05.19.2009, 08:39 PM

The Ramones. The Beatles didn't influence shit. (Not even saying I like the Ramones actually, but.. I don't see the Beatles influencing anything in popular music.)

SuperCreep · 05.19.2009, 08:43 PM

The Beatles. I don't think the Ramones' influence is felt much at all outside of the punk spectrum, and even then, I'd say it isn't as large as many perceive it to be, especially outside of the US.

Not denying they have a pretty heavy influence, though.

summer · 05.19.2009, 08:50 PM

Describe what the Beatles have influenced and how.

SonikJesus · 05.19.2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by summer

Describe what the Beatles have influenced and how.

Some may say they have influenced everything.

I'm on the Ramones' side though. And their influence isn't just in the punk spectrum. Johnny's guitar is everywhere.

summer · 05.19.2009, 09:06 PM

The only way you can say they influenced everything is if you encompass everything that is dissimilar to the Beatles, and assume that their influence on them was "The Beatles is what I do NOT want my band to sound like." I mean, yeah, Dylan Carson and Merzbow were so influenced by the Beatles right.

atsonicpark · 05.19.2009, 09:13 PM

I think captain beefheart was the most influential to GOOD bands. Note that Safe As Milk was John Lennon's all time favorite album too. And Zoot Horn Rollo was Jimi Hendrix's favorite guitarist before he died. And all 4 Beatles were at a Beefheart concert in England. Huge fans.

Ramones influenced a bunch of shitty, simple, boring punk bands. They didn't really do much besides make a few really simple power-chord-driven songs with dumb lyrics. Don't get me wrong, I like the first few Ramones albums, and I don't want to understate their importance, but to put them in the same league as the forward-thinking, brilliant (though not a band I care for that much, admittingly) Beatles? Come on. I mean, the Beatles did some pretty insane shit at the time... Revolution # 9, backwards guitar solos, and so on. I don't know if they really INVENTED any of the techniques they used, but to put them in a pop context was pretty insane and would've been potentially (and definitely commercially) disasterous if they weren't so intelligent about it. I think they really showed bands that you could do some pretty out-there shit and break away from the simplicity of most pop music at the time. Ramones showed people that anyone could write a simple song, but .. again .. their influence was mostly to a bunch of shitty bands. Ever hear one of their tribute albums? Case in point. Shitty, talentless punk bands and Marilyn Manson were influenced. So, again, I don't know how to answer this question. Ramones may have had more influence amongst 14-year-olds in America... but as far as influence on IMPORTANT MUSICIANS (worldwide)?

I'd say Beefheart.

[Sandbag] · 05.19.2009, 09:19 PM

the ramones were influenced by the beatles to some degree..(it doesnt make any difference in who i think are more influential, just saying) and I think the beatles were more influential in general.

Death & the Maiden · 05.19.2009, 10:03 PM

I'd say The Beatles. The Ramones even got their name from Paul McCartney.

viewtiful_alan · 05.19.2009, 10:08 PM

Dumb question

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 05.19.2009, 10:36 PM

It's a silly question. When I think about my influences writing music. . . pretty much everything I've ever listened to and liked has influenced me in one way or another.

automatic bzooty · 05.19.2009, 10:37 PM

You couldn't have yr Ramones if ya didn't have yr Beatles. It's like pudding and meat, mang.

I think the whole Ramones-y 'just fuckin' play' ethos has been more enduring, but straight up influence ... Beatles, definitely.

Dead-Air · 05.19.2009, 10:45 PM

Seeing as the name "Ramones" comes from a pseudonym Paul McCartney used, this is a pretty silly question...

SonikJesus · 05.19.2009, 11:14 PM

I'm not asking you guys who WAS more influential, I'm asking who you guys THINK is more influential. Just because Beatles came first and/or influenced the Ramones, it doesn't mean they are more influential. swa(y)'s previous post does a good job of explaining that.

And saying that 'mones got their name from Paul doesn't mean Beatles were more influential. That's a laughable argument.

Savage Clone · 05.20.2009, 12:06 AM

Kraftwerk

!@#$%! · 05.20.2009, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonikJesus

I'm not asking you guys who WAS more influential, I'm asking who you guys THINK is more influential. Just because Beatles came first and/or influenced the Ramones, it doesn't mean they are more influential. swa(y)'s previous post does a good job of explaining that.

And saying that 'mones got their name from Paul doesn't mean Beatles were more influential. That's a laughable argument.

what's a laughable argument is you saying that you don't ask who WAS more influential but who people THINK was more influential.

of course people are going to tell you what they THINK, because nobody has a direct hotline to ultimate truth and reality beyond thought. what the fuck!

atsonicpark · 05.20.2009, 12:59 AM

hahaha.

^^^ End of thread.

pbradley · 05.20.2009, 01:14 AM

Obviously we all live in parallel but separate dimensions and he's curious who's more influential in our reality.

diskaholic-anonymous · 05.20.2009, 01:44 AM

sonic youth and others kind of bands are more closer to ramones than the beatles (fever beatlmania are still spreadind his virus around coldplay, u2, oasis, blur, kaiser chiefs and more boring bands) so i vote velvet underground.

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Ramones	3	7.32%
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05.19.2009, 08:20 PM	#1
SonikJesus the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,006	I've been meaning to start this thread for a while now. I think most people will say the Beatles. I, however, think the Ramones are just as influential and maybe more. What do you guys think and why?
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Sonic Youth 37 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: if there is a bright spot in the universe, the farthest point from it Posts: 9,443	I'm going to go with Ramones due to the sheer number of semi-known or virtually unknown punk bands they've spawned. The Beatles just get named dropped a lot, but I think the world would be a better place if the VU would get the credit they deserve for the late 60s thing. __________________ "One: Where's the fife? and Two: Gimme the fife."
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05.19.2009, 08:39 PM	#3
summer stalker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540	The Ramones. The Beatles didn't influence shit. (Not even saying I like the Ramones actually, but.. I don't see the Beatles influencing anything in popular music.) __________________
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SuperCreep expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: brooklyn Posts: 2,281	The Beatles. I don't think the Ramones' influence is felt much at all outside of the punk spectrum, and even then, I'd say it isn't as large as many perceive it to be, especially outside of the US. Not denying they have a pretty heavy influence, though. __________________
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05.19.2009, 08:50 PM	#5
summer stalker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540	Describe what the Beatles have influenced and how. __________________
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summer stalker Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540	The only way you can say they influenced everything is if you encompass everything that is dissimilar to the Beatles, and assume that their influence on them was "The Beatles is what I do NOT want my band to sound like." I mean, yeah, Dylan Carson and Merzbow were so influenced by the Beatles right. __________________
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05.19.2009, 09:13 PM	#8
atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	I think captain beefheart was the most influential to GOOD bands. Note that Safe As Milk was John Lennon's all time favorite album too. And Zoot Horn Rollo was Jimi Hendrix's favorite guitarist before he died. And all 4 Beatles were at a Beefheart concert in England. Huge fans. Ramones influenced a bunch of shitty, simple, boring punk bands. They didn't really do much besides make a few really simple power-chord-driven songs with dumb lyrics. Don't get me wrong, I like the first few Ramones albums, and I don't want to understate their importance, but to put them in the same league as the forward-thinking, brilliant (though not a band I care for that much, admittingly) Beatles? Come on. I mean, the Beatles did some pretty insane shit at the time... Revolution # 9, backwards guitar solos, and so on. I don't know if they really INVENTED any of the techniques they used, but to put them in a pop context was pretty insane and would've been potentially (and definitely commercially) disasterous if they weren't so intelligent about it. I think they really showed bands that you could do some pretty out-there shit and break away from the simplicity of most pop music at the time. Ramones showed people that anyone could write a simple song, but .. again .. their influence was mostly to a bunch of shitty bands. Ever hear one of their tribute albums? Case in point. Shitty, talentless punk bands and Marilyn Manson were influenced. So, again, I don't know how to answer this question. Ramones may have had more influence amongst 14-year-olds in America... but as far as influence on IMPORTANT MUSICIANS (worldwide)? I'd say Beefheart. __________________
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05.19.2009, 09:19 PM	#9
[Sandbag] 100% Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 820	the ramones were influenced by the beatles to some degree..(it doesnt make any difference in who i think are more influential, just saying) and I think the beatles were more influential in general. __________________ My new facebook page for my new mainstream noise band
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Death & the Maiden expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,036	I'd say The Beatles. The Ramones even got their name from Paul McCartney. __________________ www.myspace.com/ghostofanidealwife
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SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	It's a silly question. When I think about my influences writing music. . . pretty much everything I've ever listened to and liked has influenced me in one way or another.
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automatic bzooty invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,859	You couldn't have yr Ramones if ya didn't have yr Beatles. It's like pudding and meat, mang. I think the whole Ramones-y 'just fuckin' play' ethos has been more enduring, but straight up influence ... Beatles, definitely.
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Dead-Air invito al cielo Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portland OR Posts: 4,300	Seeing as the name "Ramones" comes from a pseudonym Paul McCartney used, this is a pretty silly question... __________________ FuckBook; My Band; My Radio Show; My Flickr Page; Science Fiction Message Board
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05.19.2009, 11:14 PM	#15
SonikJesus the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,006	I'm not asking you guys who WAS more influential, I'm asking who you guys THINK is more influential. Just because Beatles came first and/or influenced the Ramones, it doesn't mean they are more influential. swa(y)'s previous post does a good job of explaining that. And saying that 'mones got their name from Paul doesn't mean Beatles were more influential. That's a laughable argument.
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,286	Kraftwerk
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atsonicpark invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28,843	hahaha. ^^^ End of thread. __________________
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pbradley invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoKo Posts: 10,621	Obviously we all live in parallel but separate dimensions and he's curious who's more influential in our reality.
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05.20.2009, 01:44 AM	#20
diskaholic-anonymous stalker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: experimental sonic fields of lisbon Posts: 403	sonic youth and others kind of bands are more closer to ramones than the beatles (fever beatlmania are still spreadind his virus around coldplay, u2, oasis, blur, kaiser chiefs and more boring bands) so i vote velvet underground.
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