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Old 05.19.2023, 08:22 PM   #1
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Old 05.20.2023, 08:11 AM   #2
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why wasn't it morrissey instead

Why wasn't Henry Kissinger instead. DIE ALREADY.
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Why wasn't Henry Kissinger instead. DIE ALREADY.
weird world that we live in, kissinger has become a voice of reason these days, and we need him...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-i/ar-AA1bnhLd

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Why do you wish that?
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Old 05.23.2023, 06:37 AM   #6
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because the mammalian brain generates rituals and cognitive biases and superstitions, and system 1 does not deal logically with either statistics or death.
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kissinger has become a voice of reason these days, and we need him...

No, we don't. I don't care if he supports the Green New Deal now. Fuck him.

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because the mammalian brain generates rituals and cognitive biases and superstitions, and system 1 does not deal logically with either statistics or death.

Which doesn't answer Kuhb's question...
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Old 05.23.2023, 10:06 AM   #8
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Which doesn't answer Kuhb's question...

well yes it does. it was all implied in the premises. but i will try to spell it out.

system 1 is the automatic brain, system 2 is the one that performs logical reasoning and mathematics. system 1 is very useful, not always accurate. system 2 requires more effort, has a different way of being dumb.

see, a man dies because of a number of reasons. in his case it was pancreatic cancer (fuck). he was 59, a former addict, who knows what other risk factors.

but because he was a member of the smiths, the mammalian brain does not see a man of 59 or a former addict or his particular risk factors for that death.

instead it sees "a member of the smiths dies"

so in the mammalian brain it's as if "death" (in system 1 often not even an event, but a kind of person, "the grim reaper") was picking out of a member of that specific group. a group that was not even together anymore, so it's not like they were all in a tour bus crash, and faced death as a group. but the irrational mind does not care, and sees a connection anyway.

in that irrational/superstitious automatic interpretation then, the hopeful wish /prayer comes out as, "why couldn't death ("the grim reaper") have chosen nigel farage's obnoxious acolyte, instead of the nice guy?"

and that is a totally irrational and absurd wish of course, based on a false premise and inexistent causality and even implying the possibility of time travel ("correct the past").

but mammalian brains are wired like that, and system 2 only comes later and (maybe) says: "wait wait wait, you idiot, the world doesn't really work like that..."

unless you're a theologian, in which case your system 2 constructs a convoluted "logical" explanation to confirm, instead of deny, your absurd superstitions. (this is a special way in which system 2 can be dumb). and then finds a way to charge you money for it (this is clever i guess).

since i am not a theologian i can see the absurdities of my system 1, but since i am a mammal i cannot simply shut down its fantasies. i have to look at them first, react emotionally, and only later analyze them under the light of reason.

but yeah, tldr: it was a system 1 response. apophenia + wishful thinking at least: "grim reaper, you should have chosen the other one..." is a ridiculous ritual/prayer. and yet...
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Old 05.23.2023, 10:21 AM   #9
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^ Right, we get it, but you're still not answering why Morrissey. And I suppose the answer is because he became a Brexiteering For Britain turd. But in your words.

ETA: Christ on a stick, I just read part of that "interview" (the interviewer was most likely himself) he posted in his site in 2018 and it's fucking revolting. FUCK HIM.

I'll still love The Smiths until I die, though.
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Old 05.23.2023, 10:53 AM   #10
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Old 05.25.2023, 01:59 AM   #11
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well yes it does. it was all implied in the premises. but i will try to spell it out.

system 1 is the automatic brain, system 2 is the one that performs logical reasoning and mathematics. system 1 is very useful, not always accurate. system 2 requires more effort, has a different way of being dumb.

see, a man dies because of a number of reasons. in his case it was pancreatic cancer (fuck). he was 59, a former addict, who knows what other risk factors.

but because he was a member of the smiths, the mammalian brain does not see a man of 59 or a former addict or his particular risk factors for that death.

instead it sees "a member of the smiths dies"

so in the mammalian brain it's as if "death" (in system 1 often not even an event, but a kind of person, "the grim reaper") was picking out of a member of that specific group. a group that was not even together anymore, so it's not like they were all in a tour bus crash, and faced death as a group. but the irrational mind does not care, and sees a connection anyway.

in that irrational/superstitious automatic interpretation then, the hopeful wish /prayer comes out as, "why couldn't death ("the grim reaper") have chosen nigel farage's obnoxious acolyte, instead of the nice guy?"

and that is a totally irrational and absurd wish of course, based on a false premise and inexistent causality and even implying the possibility of time travel ("correct the past").

but mammalian brains are wired like that, and system 2 only comes later and (maybe) says: "wait wait wait, you idiot, the world doesn't really work like that..."

unless you're a theologian, in which case your system 2 constructs a convoluted "logical" explanation to confirm, instead of deny, your absurd superstitions. (this is a special way in which system 2 can be dumb). and then finds a way to charge you money for it (this is clever i guess).

since i am not a theologian i can see the absurdities of my system 1, but since i am a mammal i cannot simply shut down its fantasies. i have to look at them first, react emotionally, and only later analyze them under the light of reason.

but yeah, tldr: it was a system 1 response. apophenia + wishful thinking at least: "grim reaper, you should have chosen the other one..." is a ridiculous ritual/prayer. and yet...

Imagine writing this out of fear of being honest with a random anonymous poster in a near dead forum. The stakes were so low, and yet...
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Anyway, enough SHIT; let's keep this about Andy. So many indelible bass lines... A couple off the top of my head:

 


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Old 05.25.2023, 07:07 AM   #13
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Imagine writing this out of fear of being honest with a random anonymous poster in a near dead forum. The stakes were so low, and yet...
what do you mean?

i don't need to imagine why i wrote what i wrote, and it definitely wasn't out of "fear", but curiosity ("how does the mind work?")

i assumed *everyone knew already* that morrissey has been an insufferable twat for a very long time, so i thought that detail didn't even need a mention.

still, it was an irrational and superstitious comment for me to make, and i was trying to sort how it came out that way out of my head. i entertained myself in the process and i'm satisfied with the results.

so how does your proposition about fear work? is it a call for a fiction writing contest or... something else?
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Old 05.25.2023, 11:26 PM   #14
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what do you mean?

i don't need to imagine why i wrote what i wrote, and it definitely wasn't out of "fear", but curiosity ("how does the mind work?")

i assumed *everyone knew already* that morrissey has been an insufferable twat for a very long time, so i thought that detail didn't even need a mention.

still, it was an irrational and superstitious comment for me to make, and i was trying to sort how it came out that way out of my head. i entertained myself in the process and i'm satisfied with the results.

so how does your proposition about fear work? is it a call for a fiction writing contest or... something else?

Just confirming that Morrissey should die due to being insuferable?
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lmfao. you quote but don't read. at all.
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lmfao. you quote but don't read. at all.

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i'm sorry i touched a nerve, but truly, if you can't read words then you're just talking to your own shadow, and nobody here is or wants to be it.

anyway, moving on...
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