Any good 2008 jazz albums? - Page 2

Danny Himself · 07.15.2008, 03:38 PM

Marc Ribot is my favourite guitarist of the past 20 years and I would file him under jazz.

He's always doing something exciting and never stays put in a style for too long, which is great.

gmku · 07.15.2008, 03:47 PM

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How hard are you looking?

Also sometimes it's good to go to jazz clubs instead of just listening to records. Liverpool has a pretty small jazz scene at the moment, well at least smaller than it used to be in the 60s, but what I've been hearing is gold. Marley Chingus Jazz Explosion and The Blue Nite Band are great, if you can find them on myspace perhaps..

I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 07.15.2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself

Marc Ribot is my favourite guitarist of the past 20 years and I would file him under jazz.

He's always doing something exciting and never stays put in a style for too long, which is great.

He is truely great. I got his Exercises in Futitlity a while back.
Though i'm not certain how to pronounce his last name.
Rib - It or Ry-Bo

Danny Himself · 07.15.2008, 03:55 PM

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He is truely great. I got his Exercises in Futitlity a while back.
Though i'm not certain how to pronounce his last name.
Rib - It or Ry-Bo

Ree-bow.

acousticrock87 · 07.15.2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku

I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.

Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman did.

gmku · 07.15.2008, 03:57 PM

I admire what they did throughout their careers but I don't think they did much beyond repeat what they had done prior to 1965.

Danny Himself · 07.15.2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku

I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.

You could say the same thing about any genre. There's nothing wrong with styles being replayed if they are good styles.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 07.15.2008, 04:04 PM

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Ree-bow.

Thanks.

gmku · 07.15.2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself

You could say the same thing about any genre. There's nothing wrong with styles being replayed if they are good styles.

True. I just don't find new jazz very interesting because of that. & definitely "rock music" rehashes. Punk is just 50s rock sped up and angrier, for example.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 07.15.2008, 04:07 PM

What about free jazz?

gmku · 07.15.2008, 04:08 PM

Didn't free jazz happen before 1965?

MellySingsDoom · 07.15.2008, 04:10 PM

Mid-50's I believe, even before Ornette and Co. Isn't there a Lennie Tristano tune that prefigures free jazz? Can't remember for the life of me at the moment what it's called, unfortunately.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 07.15.2008, 04:15 PM

Some some reason the year 1958 comes to mind.

acousticrock87 · 07.15.2008, 04:17 PM

Coleman started in '59. I don't know of anyone before him.

MellySingsDoom · 07.15.2008, 04:18 PM

Derek Bailey claimed he was playing "free" jazz in 1956 or something like that (mainly in rehearsals and stuff)...

gmku · 07.15.2008, 04:18 PM

I suppose if you want to stretch the definition of jazz, the stuff Zappa and Beefheart is interesting. But then again they were rehashing past styles, too.

acousticrock87 · 07.15.2008, 04:19 PM

"The earliest documented example of free-form improvisation is a pair of 1949 recordings for Capitol by a group led by Lennie Tristano, "Intuition" and "Digression." These do not, however, seem to have had a direct influence on the later free jazz movement."

Good 'ol Wikipedia.

MellySingsDoom · 07.15.2008, 04:20 PM

Thanks, acousticrock!

acousticrock87 · 07.15.2008, 04:24 PM

I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.

MellySingsDoom · 07.15.2008, 04:26 PM

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I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.

Looks like they're on this release:

http://www.amazon.com/Intuition-Lenn.../dp/B000005H6T

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MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Mid-50's I believe, even before Ornette and Co. Isn't there a Lennie Tristano tune that prefigures free jazz? Can't remember for the life of me at the moment what it's called, unfortunately. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	Coleman started in '59. I don't know of anyone before him.
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MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Derek Bailey claimed he was playing "free" jazz in 1956 or something like that (mainly in rehearsals and stuff)... __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	"The earliest documented example of free-form improvisation is a pair of 1949 recordings for Capitol by a group led by Lennie Tristano, "Intuition" and "Digression." These do not, however, seem to have had a direct influence on the later free jazz movement." Good 'ol Wikipedia.
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.
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