beefheart vs zappa

jon boy · 07.08.2006, 07:47 AM

just to get on the poll bandwagon and hopefully get rid of some of the hate and rubbish posts that are floating around, although i fully expect this to turn into a slanging match.

they grew up together, worked together but then hated eachother and couldnt even speak or be in the same room. so who is the one for you?

johnnywinternoshow · 07.08.2006, 07:54 AM

no question beefheart all the way

nomadicfollower · 07.08.2006, 10:37 AM

Beefheart, in my opinion, was much more creative with his music then Zappa was...so Beefheart.

Lurker · 07.08.2006, 11:14 AM

I like both, but voted Zappa. I think people are bored of this subject

porkmarras · 07.08.2006, 11:27 AM

Easy.

against_the_grain · 07.08.2006, 11:36 AM

Tiger Roach !

Lurker · 07.08.2006, 12:01 PM

Is that guy at the computer looking at porn? Is that why he's naked?

porkmarras · 07.08.2006, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon boy

just to get on the poll bandwagon and hopefully get rid of some of the hate and rubbish posts that are floating around, although i fully expect this to turn into a slanging match.

they grew up together, worked together but then hated eachother and couldnt even speak or be in the same room. so who is the one for you?

Can you blame Beefheart for that?

against_the_grain · 07.08.2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurker

Is that guy at the computer looking at porn? Is that why he's naked?

Yep.....and that's me !!!

SpectralJulianIsNotDead · 07.08.2006, 01:03 PM

Beefheart kicks Zappa's ass.

khchris(original) · 07.09.2006, 12:23 PM

Zappa. Beefheart wouldn't be shit without the magic band, who made all the music.

khchris(original) · 07.09.2006, 12:25 PM

Kinda shocked that people picked Beefheart. Do people know that it was THE MAGIC BAND and not him that made the music? Maybe people don't really know as much about Capt. Beefheart as they think they do? I dunno.

Zappa all the way. Nobody can hold a candle to Zappa (solo or with MOI).

khchris(original) · 07.09.2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nomadicfollower

Beefheart, in my opinion, was much more creative with his music then Zappa was...so Beefheart.

You mean "the magic band was much more creative with their music than Zappa"?

Nope. Zappa expanded his music territory where the magic band didn't expand hardly at all. although interesting, they really didn't push music like Zappa and Zappa did it for decades.

Also, Zappa was much better conceptually and his music was way more diverse.

You people need to check out Zappa before making such claims. I have a feeling some of you don't really have any idea the scope of Zappa's music and talent.

What a shame for one of the greatest musicians ever.

EyeballGrowth · 07.09.2006, 01:55 PM

Zappa was a better musician, Beefheart was a better poet. Infact beefheart in my opinion was a master of poetry. I gotta say Zappa made better music though, as much as I love Beefheart.

The Shiny beast of thought, if you got ears, you gotta listen

Old women sweat, young girls glisten

The extract you got is the extract you got. Hop on the dot. X Extract

Drop by drop, light by bright, night by light

amazing poetry if you ask me, and I'm not even a huge poetry fan

Iain · 07.09.2006, 02:00 PM

Diverse doesn't always mean good though. When push comes to shove I have enjoyed maybe a handful of Zappa tracks compared to pretty much everything of Beefhearts I have heard (bar a couple of bad albums...and the bad ones are pretty bad)

Zappa is way too self conciously 'zany' which gets on my tits I'm afraid.

jon boy · 07.09.2006, 02:11 PM

beefheart wins for me. although i do love some zappa stuff but just his craziness and methods alone, plus his artwork win it for the captian.

EyeballGrowth · 07.10.2006, 07:55 PM

Zappa isn't zany at all dude. Unless you count You are What you Is or Joe's Garage, nothing else he's done is zany. One Size Fits all, Were only in it for the money, Zoot Allures, Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Jazz from hell, Uncle Meat, Freak Out, Civilization, none of that stuff is Zany at all. I say Zappa wins because of his classical compositions and guitar melodies. Sofa #1 & #2, RDNZL, Holiday in Berlin, that kind of stuff, and all his stuff with the mothers

Beefheart is close behind though I think. He may not have been as talented as Zappa, but he practically devised a whole new way of making music.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 07.10.2006, 07:58 PM

I havne't heard enough of either to decide. A few tracks each.

Daddylikes · 07.10.2006, 07:58 PM

Beefheart wouldn't have ever recorded a note if it hadn't been for F.Z.

This shouldn't even be a contest.

Zappa rulez!

Cantankerous · 07.10.2006, 09:41 PM

We've all got a little Captain in us.

It doesn't come down to the fucking ethics of it, it comes down to who I like better. And I like Beefheart better.

View Poll Results: zappa vs beefheart
zappa	10	23.81%
beefheart	32	76.19%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

07.08.2006, 07:54 AM	#2
johnnywinternoshow the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,006	no question beefheart all the way __________________ !
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07.08.2006, 10:37 AM	#3
nomadicfollower invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North America Posts: 2,672	Beefheart, in my opinion, was much more creative with his music then Zappa was...so Beefheart.
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07.08.2006, 11:14 AM	#4
Lurker invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: No. 10 Posts: 3,289	I like both, but voted Zappa. I think people are bored of this subject
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07.08.2006, 11:27 AM	#5
porkmarras invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London - UK Posts: 14,313	Easy. __________________
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07.08.2006, 07:47 AM	#1
jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	just to get on the poll bandwagon and hopefully get rid of some of the hate and rubbish posts that are floating around, although i fully expect this to turn into a slanging match. they grew up together, worked together but then hated eachother and couldnt even speak or be in the same room. so who is the one for you?
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07.08.2006, 11:36 AM	#6
against_the_grain stalker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: across the Hudson Posts: 502	Tiger Roach ! __________________ Don't play what's there, play what's not there. Do not* fear mistakes. There are none* Miles Davis
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07.08.2006, 12:01 PM	#7
Lurker invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: No. 10 Posts: 3,289	Is that guy at the computer looking at porn? Is that why he's naked?
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07.08.2006, 01:03 PM	#10
SpectralJulianIsNotDead invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,409	Beefheart kicks Zappa's ass.
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07.09.2006, 12:23 PM	#11
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	Zappa. Beefheart wouldn't be shit without the magic band, who made all the music.
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07.09.2006, 12:25 PM	#12
khchris(original) 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: LA Posts: 708	Kinda shocked that people picked Beefheart. Do people know that it was THE MAGIC BAND and not him that made the music? Maybe people don't really know as much about Capt. Beefheart as they think they do? I dunno. Zappa all the way. Nobody can hold a candle to Zappa (solo or with MOI).
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07.09.2006, 01:55 PM	#14
EyeballGrowth the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 992	Zappa was a better musician, Beefheart was a better poet. Infact beefheart in my opinion was a master of poetry. I gotta say Zappa made better music though, as much as I love Beefheart. The Shiny beast of thought, if you got ears, you gotta listen Old women sweat, young girls glisten The extract you got is the extract you got. Hop on the dot. X Extract Drop by drop, light by bright, night by light amazing poetry if you ask me, and I'm not even a huge poetry fan
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07.09.2006, 02:00 PM	#15
Iain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,544	Diverse doesn't always mean good though. When push comes to shove I have enjoyed maybe a handful of Zappa tracks compared to pretty much everything of Beefhearts I have heard (bar a couple of bad albums...and the bad ones are pretty bad) Zappa is way too self conciously 'zany' which gets on my tits I'm afraid.
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07.09.2006, 02:11 PM	#16
jon boy invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: psycho battery Posts: 12,161	beefheart wins for me. although i do love some zappa stuff but just his craziness and methods alone, plus his artwork win it for the captian.
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07.10.2006, 07:55 PM	#17
EyeballGrowth the end of the ugly Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 992	Zappa isn't zany at all dude. Unless you count You are What you Is or Joe's Garage, nothing else he's done is zany. One Size Fits all, Were only in it for the money, Zoot Allures, Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Jazz from hell, Uncle Meat, Freak Out, Civilization, none of that stuff is Zany at all. I say Zappa wins because of his classical compositions and guitar melodies. Sofa #1 & #2, RDNZL, Holiday in Berlin, that kind of stuff, and all his stuff with the mothers Beefheart is close behind though I think. He may not have been as talented as Zappa, but he practically devised a whole new way of making music.
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07.10.2006, 07:58 PM	#18
Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	I havne't heard enough of either to decide. A few tracks each. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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07.10.2006, 07:58 PM	#19
Daddylikes the end of the ugly Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gnome, Alaska Posts: 929	Beefheart wouldn't have ever recorded a note if it hadn't been for F.Z. This shouldn't even be a contest. Zappa rulez!
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07.10.2006, 09:41 PM	#20
Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	We've all got a little Captain in us. It doesn't come down to the fucking ethics of it, it comes down to who I like better. And I like Beefheart better. __________________ RETIRED
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