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Old 08.02.2008, 06:20 PM   #281
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Old 08.02.2008, 06:58 PM   #282
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No such thing. Too subjective. There are things Hendrix didn't have in his repertoire..like playing fast and super clean like a Steve Vai or something.

Judging a player on a technical level and other levels would work best than defining a best player. And i would have to throw Steve Howe, Jeff Beck, and Trey as possible candidates. But Trey has such a liquidy distorted sound, and i like to hear the wood and amp more, personally.
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Old 08.03.2008, 12:20 AM   #283
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i dont think theres a such thing as "best guitarist ever".

i do think, however, hendrix expressed a certain level of freedom with his guitar that most can ever hope to reach. such a rarity man.

hendrix was amazing.

i dont have a single fav. guitarist, but hendrix is certainly one of my many favs.

Hit the nail on the head!
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Old 08.03.2008, 12:41 AM   #284
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Talented? Yes.

Not enough to keep my interest. I don't care for Hendrix.
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Old 08.03.2008, 01:37 AM   #285
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The only Hendrix song I know is Purple Haze, which is pretty good. I don't know who the best is, I have favourites, but I know they're not the most skilled guitarists. The most skillful ones I listen to are probably Johnny Marr and Tom Verlaine.
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Old 08.03.2008, 02:12 AM   #286
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Well you have guitarists who can literally play what most cannot.
Then you have guitarists who are more innovative than technical.

Which is more important?

But then you have Hendrix who was both.

So yes, I'd say there is atleast no one better for whatever you want to make use of that word.
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Old 08.03.2008, 02:24 AM   #287
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Old 10.02.2008, 04:33 PM   #288
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Well you have guitarists who can literally play what most cannot.
Then you have guitarists who are more innovative than technical.

Which is more important?

But then you have Hendrix who was both.

So yes, I'd say there is atleast no one better for whatever you want to make use of that word.

or

Originally Posted by swa(y)
i dont think theres a such thing as "best guitarist ever".

i do think, however, hendrix expressed a certain level of freedom with his guitar that most can ever hope to reach. such a rarity man.

hendrix was amazing.




mmm, difficult choice , i'd like to say yes.
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Old 10.02.2008, 04:57 PM   #289
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Pete Townsend, Eric Clapton, jeff beck, and a fucking plenitude of others who saw him play in person all say he was something that they copuld not even imagine being, as a guitar player.

Jimi could play ANYTHING. he chose to melt our faces off with feedback and distortion for which we should all be thankful.
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Old 10.02.2008, 04:57 PM   #290
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theres some bands i like to hear wank, hendrix is one of them. i was just listening to live in stockholm, and he literally says at the beginning, "we (the experience) havnt played together in about 6 weeks, so were just gonna jam, sorry, but were just gonna see what happens" and its fucking amazing. he might not be the perennial greatest guitarist ever, but he sure is up there, and nobody can deny it.
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Old 10.02.2008, 04:59 PM   #291
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Pete Townsend, Eric Clapton, jeff beck, and a fucking plenitude of others who saw him play in person all say he was something that they copuld not even imagine being, as a guitar player.

Jimi could play ANYTHING. he chose to melt our faces off with feedback and distortion for which we should all be thankful.

yeah, some say his music was psychedelic, i say it was PSYCHODELIC. his live stuff could even be considered noise rock at times with it got its most fuzzy and loud, but hes prolly too skilled to be noise rock. but damn, band of gypsies, i worn out 3 copies of that in highschool.
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Old 10.02.2008, 05:00 PM   #292
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I think he is over-rated but his playing is under-rated.
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Old 10.02.2008, 05:00 PM   #293
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Yeah... the problem is that if you simply don't enjoy Hendrix you're in the position of agreeing that he's clearly massively talented whilst also forced to put him in the same box as Vai, Malmsteen et all. I'd wager Hendrix couldn't touch the subte tones of any of Segovia's renditions of Bach's Chaconne for solo violin, even if he could read.

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yeah, some say his music was psychedelic, i say it was PSYCHODELIC.

I'd be obliged to twat your for that sort of prickery, if you were on the table next to me in a pub.
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Old 10.02.2008, 05:34 PM   #295
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The rules for Rock music are now so firmly cast that it's now almost impossible for it to move on. The only way to progress is through cross-genre collaboration between musicians, a breaking down of the audience/performer split, a turning away from personality cults, etc. All the things that've been going on outside of Rock music (as it tends to be thought of) for years now.

The above has its points to ponder, but in the end analysis, the sentiment expressed is all ultimately bullshit. It's an excuse is what it is. And no wonder that it's written by a guy that can't even learn to play a moveable chord. Look, rock and roll may have more "rules" than it used to, but those "rules" have more to do with the inherent economics of promoting music to large numbers of consumers, i.e., paying customers, than anything else. Musically, rock is open as it ever was. True, rock is more or less dead, but that's really only due to the lameness of its overblown idiot contemporary practitioners. And alas, the spirit of out times doesn't really care all that much about art; and it's to the point where most don't even know what art is anymore.

The hard facts are that nobody, and this has been the case for around a generation, learns how to really play to the best of their ability; far too many are complacent with their resulting limited palette.
Instead of coming from a point of view that they know nothing and having a desire to always learn more, they rely on one-trick ponyisms for their so-called individual style. This includes how they play, what they play and what equipment is used to compensate due to their lack of honing appreciable expressiveness. And in accordance with this narrow mindset, far too many are apt to invent reason after reason to talk smack about someone such as Jimi Hendrix. Which is a travesty. An outrage indeed considering that Jimi Hendrix is the exception to the rule in that he really cared enough about his musical art to develop and then share his beautiful and meaningful guitar playing talents.

And don't try to make an argument over my comment about equipment. Yes, I know Hendrix himself was always looking to enhance his equipment. My point is that players these days in general tend to hide behind their gear. Instead of it truly working for them, it usually ends up working against them in the long run. In short (and I'm writing all of this in an abbreviated way), if you're not intelligent enough to get my point, I'm not interested in your little impious spin of twisting my words around, so don't bother even trying to get my goat. I'm someone that's interested in art. For those interested in falsity, whether they're conscious of it or not, I have very little regard.

Take a band that we all know and most here respect--The Velvet Underground; they were artists first and musicians second. As we all are aware, none of the members had any extremely remarkable technical skill at the time. Neither did the Sex Pistols. They expressed raw emotions honestly to great effect. Not only are far too many musicians these days technically lame (even the ones that think they are technically refined with their tricks of the trade), they are also really poor at being musical artists.

From the 2003 Rolling Stone issue that !@#$%! linked to, here's a wonderful reminiscence of Jimi Hendrix by Pete Townshend:
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I feel sad for people who have to judge Jimi Hendrix on the basis of recordings and film alone, because in the flesh he was so extraordinary. He had a kind of alchemist's ability; when he was on the stage, he changed. He physically changed. He became incredibly graceful and beautiful. It wasn't just people taking LSD, though that was going on, there's no question. But he had a power that almost sobered you up if you were on an acid trip. He was bigger than LSD.
What he played was fucking loud but also incredibly lyrical and expert. He managed to build this bridge between true blues guitar -- the kind that Eric Clapton had been battling with for years and years -- and modern sounds, the kind of Syd Barrett-meets-Townshend sound, the wall of screaming guitar sound that U2 popularized. He brought the two together brilliantly. And it was supported by a visual magic that obviously you won't get if you just listen to the music. He did this thing where he would play a chord, and then he would sweep his left hand through the air in a curve, and it would almost take you away from the idea that there was a guitar player here and that the music was actually coming out of the end of his fingers. And then people say, "Well, you were obviously on drugs." But I wasn't, and I wasn't drunk, either. I can just remember being taken over by this, and the images he was producing or evoking were naturally psychedelic in tone because we were surrounded by psychedelic graphics. All of the images that were around us at the time had this kind of echoey, acidy quality to them. The lighting in all the clubs was psychedelic and drippy.

He was dusty -- he had cobwebs and dust all over him. He was a very unremarkable-looking guy with an old military jacket on that was pretty dirty. It looked like he'd maybe slept in it a few nights running. When he would walk toward the stage, nobody would really take much notice of him. But when he walked off, I saw him walk up to some of the most covetable women in the world. Hendrix would snap his fingers, and they followed him. Onstage, he was very erotic as well. To a man watching, he was erotic like Mick Jagger is erotic. It wasn't "You know, I'd like to take that guy in the bathroom and fuck him." It was a high form of eroticism, almost spiritual in quality. There was a sense of wanting to possess him and wanting to be a part of him, to know how he did what he did because he was so powerfully affecting. Johnny Rotten did it, Kurt Cobain did it. As a man, you wanted to be a part of Johnny Rotten's gang, you wanted to be a part of Kurt Cobain's gang.

He was shy and kind and sweet, and he was fucked up and insecure. If you were as lucky as I was, you'd spend a few hours with him after a gig and watch him descend out of this incredibly colorful, energized face. There was also something quite sad about watching him. There was a hedonism about him. Toward the end of his life, he seemed to be having fun, but maybe a little bit too much. It was happening to a lot of people, but it was sad to see it happen to him.

With Jimi, I didn't have any envy. I never had any sense that I could ever come close. I remember feeling quite sorry for Eric, who thought that he might actually be able to emulate Jimi. I also felt sorry that he should think that he needed to. Because I thought Eric was wonderful anyway. Perhaps I make assumptions here that I shouldn't, but it's true. Once -- I think it was at a gig Jimi played at the Scotch of St. James [in London] -- Eric and I found ourselves holding each other's hands. You know, what we were watching was so profoundly powerful.
The third or fourth time that I saw him, he was supporting the Who at the Saville Theatre. That was the first time I saw him set his guitar on fire. It didn't do very much. He poured lighter fluid over the guitar and set fire to it, and then the next day he would be playing with a guitar that was a little bit charred. In fact, I remember teasing him, saying, "That's not good enough -- you need a proper flame-thrower, it needs to be completely destroyed." We started getting into an argument about destroying your guitar -- if you're going to do it, you have to do it properly. You have to break every little piece of the guitar, and then you have to give it away so it can't be rebuilt. Only that is proper breaking your guitar. He was looking at me like I was fucking mad.

Trying to work out how he affected me at my ground zero, the fact is that I felt like I was robbed. I felt the Who were in some ways quite a silly little group, that they were indeed my art-school installation. They were constructed ideas and images and some cool little pop songs. Some of the music was good, but a lot of what the Who did was very tongue-in-cheek, or we reserved the right to pretend it was tongue-in-cheek if the audience laughed at it. The Who would always look like we didn't really mean it, like it didn't really matter. You know, you smash a guitar, you walk off and go, "Fuck it all. It's all a load of tripe anyway." That really was the beginning of that punk consciousness. And Jimi arrived with proper music.

He made the electric guitar beautiful. It had always been dangerous, it had always been able to evoke anger. If you go right back to the beginning of it, John Lee Hooker shoving a microphone into his guitar back in the 1940s, it made his guitar sound angry, impetuous, and dangerous. The guitar players who worked through the Fifties and with the early rock artists - James Burton, who worked with Ricky Nelson and the Everly Brothers, Steve Cropper with Booker T. -- these Nashville-influenced players had a steely, flick-knife sound, really kind of spiky compared to the beautiful sound of the six-string acoustic being played in the background. In those great early Elvis songs, you hear Elvis himself playing guitar on songs like "Hound Dog," and then you hear an electric guitar come in, and it's not a pleasant sound. Early blues players, too -- Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, Albert King -- they did it to hurt your ears. Jimi made it beautiful and made it OK to make it beautiful.
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what the fuck is twat me? psychodelic is one of my favorite made up genre names.
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what the fuck is twat me? psychodelic is one of my favorite made up genre names.

Yes, and it makes you sound like a prick of the highest order.
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