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Old 08.19.2009, 06:55 AM   #1
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hey guys, i have a quick question about a copy of EVOL which i just got on vinyl.

It is BFFP4, but it is red vinyl and there is NO locked groove on expressway to yr skull, which goes against what is said here http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html

also, the vinyl was still in shrink wrap which i found odd for a record that has been out of print for forever...

anyways, i was just wondering if this is possibly a scam ebay seller who presses his own rare vinyls and sells them, and if you guys think its possible i could get a few bucks back from him...because if this is fake, its not worth what i paid for it.
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Old 08.19.2009, 07:03 AM   #2
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hmmm. Interesting. I wonder if it's a recent Blast First repress that no one knew about. But why no lockgroove I wonder?
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Old 08.19.2009, 07:06 AM   #3
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are there etchings on the sides?
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Old 08.19.2009, 08:21 AM   #4
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another thing; does it indicate ANYWHERE a country of origin? IE: Where was it pressed?
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Old 08.19.2009, 01:02 PM   #5
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Got pics? I'd love to see it.

Do you have an original BF copy to compare it to? I've picked up (presumably) bootleg copies of Goo on clear red & marbled blue vinyl over the past year, and the sleeve & label quality is noticeably inferior to an original when compared side-by-side.

And yeah, post the matrix code exactly as they're printed/written - if it's genuine, they should match up with existing BF copies, unless entirely new masters have been made. I'd strongly suspect it's a boot though (albeit a pretty cool one )

Oh, and what about the inner sleeve? Printed on shimmery paper like the originals, or just a plain white sleeve?
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Old 08.19.2009, 01:04 PM   #6
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oh, and who was the eBay seller? PM me if you don't want to make it public, but I can prob tell you if it's the same person as either of my coloured boots.
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Old 08.19.2009, 04:25 PM   #7
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the seller is heyzeus-chreenst and his store is the CO-OP DUDE.

EVERYTHING is identical to what is posted in the first 6 pictures here: http://sonicyouth.com/mustang/lp/lp4.html

i dont have an original EVOL on black, so i cant compare but everything looks identical except that it's red and no locked groove, no listing of a country except that Blast First logo on the back cover that says London underneath it. the insert is on glossy, thick paper like most records.

etched arounnd the label on the vinyl is BFFP 4 A/B in like a handwriting sort of font.

 


 


thanks in advance for any help. if it is a bootleg, any suggestions if i can/should take any action?
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Old 08.19.2009, 04:55 PM   #8
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you should instantly snail mail that shit over to rob instigator.
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Old 08.19.2009, 06:12 PM   #9
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The full matrix code my Blast First original reads:

Side 1 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 A-2U-I-
with "A Porky Prime Cut" hand-scratched below it.

Side 2 (machine stamped): BFFP-4 B-2U-I- with EVERYTHING TURNS BLACK TO BLUE hand-scratched and "BILBO TAPE DIR" hand-scratched in smaller lettering further around.

I don't know that seller, but I'd certainly lean towards yours being a boot (as I would with just about any previously undocumented coloured LPs that show up out of the blue, given the avalanche of similar boots for other artists that's appeared over the past few years). Doubt this'll be the last SY one either.

You can try asking the seller for a partial refund, but I wouldn't get your hopes up - if this is the one you bought, it did say "reissue" in the description, and $30 isn't too bad a price - I paid almost $80 for the blue marbled Goo when that first appeared :/
I'd offer to buy yours if I was a little more flush, but can't really justify it right now I'm afraid..
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Old 08.19.2009, 06:22 PM   #10
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Oh, and the fact that there's a white inner sleeve & separate printed insert is another giveaway - on original copies, the inner sleeve itself has the printed design that's on your insert.
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Old 08.19.2009, 06:26 PM   #11
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boot or not. That shit is hot.
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Old 08.19.2009, 06:28 PM   #12
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oh ok, i didnt know that the original innersleeve had the lyrics and stuff on it, i thought it was just a side insert (like on a thousand leaves?)
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Old 08.20.2009, 07:59 AM   #14
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I wonder if this is from the same 'batch' ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONIC-YOUTH-Evol...86.m20.l11 16
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Almost certainly. I don't think any Blast First stuff was officially pressed on coloured vinyl.
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i messaged the seller, he offered an $11 refund. so i basically got this sweet looking copy of EVOL (that sounds great and is in mint condition) for only 15 bucks. To say i'm pretty happy about it is an understatement
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Old 08.20.2009, 03:21 PM   #17
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Almost certainly. I don't think any Blast First stuff was officially pressed on coloured vinyl.

there were some pink pressings i think
or maybe those werent sst?
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I'd say its definitely a reissue and not a bootleg...

I believe SST initially pressed some pink/white swirled versions, then the std black... but all of the original SST LPs have the locked groove Expressway...
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there were some pink pressings i think
or maybe those werent sst?

They were SST, same as the purple Sister (both of those were limited reissues from around 1990, I believe)

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I'd say its definitely a reissue and not a bootleg...

Based on what?
The non-matching matrix & plain inner sleeve with printed insert is the same deal as with my bootleg Goo, there's no mention of a reissue on Mute's Blast First site, and coloured vinyl bootlegs by all kinds of artists have been appearing over the past few years.
I'd bet good money that the print quality of the sleeve & label will be inferior to that of original copies too.
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They were SST, same as the purple Sister (both of those were limited reissues from around 1990, I believe)



Based on what?
The non-matching matrix & plain inner sleeve with printed insert is the same deal as with my bootleg Goo, there's no mention of a reissue on Mute's Blast First site, and coloured vinyl bootlegs by all kinds of artists have been appearing over the past few years.
I'd bet good money that the print quality of the sleeve & label will be inferior to that of original copies too.

It was just a hunch but you have more info, based on what i you just stated i'd now agree about it being a boot, interesting that someone or some company would go through the effort with recreating a version with colored vinyl... but maybe not that much of a big deal. I'd wonder what the fidelity is like also...
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