[Skuj]

I'm astounded that a significant percentage of the population takes Trump's tweets as "fact/truth", as evidenced in this thread.

[Skuj]

Surely we weren't this gullible 10-20 years ago?

[tw2113]

I think we were, we just weren't aware of how widespread it is.

[_tunic_]

This is the message that Europeans get nowadays when they want to read a US newspaper

Fake News?

It sounds more like China to me , or even North Korea

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[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by evollove

While there are some good points in there, I'm ultimately calling bullshit. If Trump had given Putin a violent tongue-lashing, you'd be praising him for being tough.

(Although to be fair, the left would be condemning him for provoking a fight.)

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Mueller's probe has led to indictments. People broke the law. Anyone who authentically cares about "law and order" should be pleased so far.

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To say the US is even partly responsible for being attacked by Russia is fucked.

So why cozy up? So we can trade? To avoid a nuclear war?

I appreciate your overall response, I’m going to try and address the above.

Saying the United States is partially to blame does leave a bad taste in ones mouth. I recall the same taste every time Obama made excuses for Muslims attacking and killing people.

RE Mueller’s probe......not one of those indictments were related to collusion, hacking or meddling with Russia.

Why cozy up / no tongue lashing?

I believe it’s reasonable enough to assume our President thought this was the best course of action after their first meeting. Not so much to avoid nuclear war, but possibly a step toward addressing the atrocities occurring in Syria. Applying pressure to Putin while at the same time offering a path to change.

It could all be for not, time wasted......but after the considerations given last month, it just seems logical to do the same this month.

Originally Posted by Skuj

Even most GOP (rightly) thought it was surreal that a POTUS would say he takes Putin's word over his own Intelligence Agencies

I feel ya, Skuj!

Just to be clear, these are the same Intelligence Agencies that lied to The American People about survelling our activities......collecting our data and websites we visit......shaping our profiles based on things we’ve been saying in this thread?

A direct violation of our Construction! (4th amendment).

Is it the same Intelligence Agency that lied about hacking Angela Merkel’s phone?

These transgressions and violations taking place under Obama & Hillary’s watch. YES - I believe they had things so screwed up that President Trump’s statements were 100% TRUTH!!!

Originally Posted by Skuj

Surely we weren't this gullible 10-20 years ago?

Originally Posted by tw2113

I think we were, we just weren't aware of how widespread it is.

September 11, 2001

[Skuj]

So, even if I accept that the Int Agencies have done these/some bad things, that means Trump should just trash them and take Putin's word, right? Because Putin is a wonderful guy and everything the American Int agencies do is wrong?

Please tell me that 9/11 link isn't another inside-job/conspiracy thing.

[Skuj]

I always see Islamaphobia in your posts. It makes me ill. Have you travelled? It may shock you to hear this, but 99.999% of Muslims are good people. It really is true!!!

[tw2113]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Please tell me that 9/11 link isn't another inside-job/conspiracy thing.

It is, but I don't know if it was posted because it is believed by the poster, or just as an example of historical gullibility.

[Skuj]

I'm desperately trying to understand this whole Carter Page thing, and why that stuff was released.

And if you think it is laughable that he could be a spy and that the FBI are just so stupid, check out Philby at his Press Conference in 1955.

[tw2113]

Social media has shown me there are shitheads on both sides of the major political spectrums. Republicans try to feel better about themselves by showing the shit democrats have pulled, democrats showing the shit republicans have pulled.


Just makes both parties look worse than they could be viewed.

[Skuj]

This is fucking mind boggling:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...use-its-a-hoax

The Int Agencies made a very detailed presentation during the transition. Comey talked about it. Clapper talked about it. The current Directors do not think it is a hoax.

But none of that matters in Trumpworld, does it?

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Because Putin is a wonderful guy and everything the American Int agencies do is wrong?

Because Putin & Russia were doing the same things in 2011 Under Obama & Hillary’s watch and no one did anything about it then......because the Democrats won???

[Skuj]

Wait....you make that argument while posting a link that explains why Putin hates Clinton so much.

Am I missing something?

Are you not making my argument?

[The Soup Nazi]

OK, this fucker's not even making a shred of sense anymore — what the fuck is a "rigged witch-hunt"?

Noun
witch-hunt (plural witch-hunts)

— An attempt to find and publicly punish a group of people perceived as a threat, usually on ideological or political grounds.

— A public smear-campaign against an individual.

So, by definition, a witch-hunt is already bullshit (duh). If you rig the fuckin' thing, whaddaya get? A legit investigation? Ohhhh, maybe he's onto something after all...

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

OK, this fucker's not even making a shred of sense anymore — what the fuck is a "rigged witch-hunt"?

Noun
witch-hunt (plural witch-hunts)

— An attempt to find and publicly punish a group of people perceived as a threat, usually on ideological or political grounds.

— A public smear-campaign against an individual.

So, by definition, a witch-hunt is already bullshit (duh). If you rig the fuckin' thing, whaddaya get? A legit investigation? Ohhhh, maybe he's onto something after all...

hello. is this you?

 

you’ve never worked in sales, have you?

[The Soup Nazi]

The DOJ indicts twelve GRU officials, currently living in Russia, for fucking with the United States' 2016 presidential election. The U.S.'s State Secretary does not demand their extradition.

The DOJ indicts a Russian national, currently living in the U.S., for "acting as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American Republican and conservative politics—such as the National Rifle Association, the National Prayer Breakfast and conservative religious organizations—for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation". Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov tells fat fuck Mike Pompeo to release her ASAP.

This is all so fucking GLAMOROUS. Not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/w...ssian-gru.html

https://news.google.com/search?q=GRU...S&ceid=US%3Aen

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/p...uns/index.html

https://news.google.com/topics/CAAqK...S&ceid=US%3Aen

[evollove]

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

RE Mueller’s probe......not one of those indictments were related to collusion, hacking or meddling with Russia.

I'm seizing on this point because it's an important one.

1- People broke the law

2- Mueller's investigation discovered this

Whether or not these indictments had anything directly to do with collusion is irrelevant.

If one cares at all about law and order, one should applaud Mueller's success in catching law-breakers.

"Mueller is wasting his time if he's zeroing in on Trump, but I'm sure glad he's caught some baddies along the way" is a perfectly reasonable statement. But I never hear it.

All I hear is "Shut it down."

And yes, Hillary killed Seth Rich and hundreds of others while her husband fucked little boys, but that's another issue and doesn't mean everyone who now breaks the law gets a pass.

[ilduclo]

Mariiiiia Iiiiina Buttova assisted in transferring money from Torshin and Putin, thru the NRA to the Trumpsterfire campaign

btw, this is all you need for bitey peltie, he's a paid russian bot, just like symob and ditch residing testiela, just be Puttin on ignore

 

[The Soup Nazi]

Dana Bash said that, according to her reporting, Cohen has compromising tapes of conversations with his other clients.

PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY

[Skuj]

The push-back against former Intel people who dare to speak up has taken on new lows:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...cials-security

Huckabee/Trump etc want you to believe that no major presentations to Team Trump on what the Russians actually did took place. I suppose Comey and Clapper are flat-out lying when they details these things. Or maybe Trump just doesn't remember those briefings. Yeah....that must be it.

Every day I am surprised and horrified, even in the Age Of Trump, at how low these people will go and the lies they will spew. And I'm even more surprised that millions will eat this shit up.

I cannot imagine a more dishonest evil POTUS. Surely this is the bottom, right? It will never be worse than this?