Kill Your Idols Coming to DVD - Page 2

PAULYBEE2656 · 10.26.2006, 06:33 AM

dont think its that bad moshe. the yyy being in there kinda dumbifies the thing but its a pretty good watch.

pokkeherrie · 10.26.2006, 06:42 AM

pity. it's really a subject that deserves having a good documentary being made about it... don't think I'll find it for rent somewhere so I guess i'll wait for it to appear on youtube or something.

there are lots of other DVDs I need to buy anyway, like the No Fun Fest one.

toxic johnny · 10.26.2006, 06:47 AM

As I said on page 1 I recommend that people rent it before deciding to buy it...

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Originally Posted by pokkeherrie

pity. it's really a subject that deserves having a good documentary being made about it...

Couldn't agree more...

nicfit · 10.26.2006, 06:52 AM

i thought "no wave" was a movement consisting of rude people that do not like to salute other people on the streets and such.

toxic johnny · 10.26.2006, 07:15 AM

Word...

Moshe · 10.26.2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656

dont think its that bad moshe. the yyy being in there kinda dumbifies the thing but its a pretty good watch.

well, maybe my expectations were to high.

PAULYBEE2656 · 10.26.2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshe

well, maybe my expectations were to high.

FAIR POINT. PUNK:ATTITUDE IS A MUST BETTER DOCUMENTARY....

screamingskull · 10.27.2006, 04:51 PM

kool, i will have to get this.

chabib · 10.27.2006, 05:40 PM

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black dice footage?

i have all the best black dice footage. i guarantee that.

PAULYBEE2656 · 10.28.2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chabib

i have all the best black dice footage. i guarantee that.

do share chris!
seriously, black dice are real hit and miss with me. they are either amazingly great or just boring (this is just my opinion!). kinda adds to the thrill of getting stuff cuz you just dont know what to expect so i gotta respect them for that!

Tabbert · 10.28.2006, 03:39 PM

check this video out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8guEn5jiYY

Pax Americana · 10.28.2006, 06:59 PM

Meh, it was okay. I bought it thinking it would be better.

flophousefloozie · 10.29.2006, 02:11 PM

yes it is a little boring but personally, i learned alot from it, so not all is lost..

Moshe · 10.30.2006, 01:03 AM

http://brainwashed.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=5674

Kill Your Idols" Written by Matthew Amundsen Monday, 30 October 2006

New York’s No Wave scene of the late ‘70s was a brief but visionary moment in music history centering around bands whose members were frequently non-musicians but came from a variety of artistic backgrounds. While this documentary is by no means a definitive statement, it certainly sheds some light on what the movement was all about and what it meant to many of those involved, and how their pioneering spirit may or may not live on in the music of the generations who followed.
Plexifilm

The documentary begins appropriately enough with an interview with Martin Rev of Suicide. His description of how he and cohort Alan Vega were close to living on the street during Suicide’s genesis is a similar influence to the urban decay that fueled Lydia Lunch and her No Wave peers. Lunch features prominently here, along with Jim Sclavunos, Glenn Branca, Arto Lindsay, Michael Gira, Thurston Moore, and Jim Thirwell. Their stories, supplemented with music and footage from the time, gives a general impression of what the scene was all about.
One of the criticism that’s hounded No New York, the Eno-produced compilation that brought the scene to light, is that it’s a mere tip of the iceberg and leaves out far more than it includes. Unfortunately, that trend continues here. One of the more noticeable omissions is Mars, who also featured on the compilation but only get the briefest mention here. Yet they’re not the only victims. As evidenced by the family tree included on the inside cover of the DVD, there were dozens of bands mining the same territory who will never see the light of day. It’s a shame that first-time director S.A. Crary didn’t hunt down some of these more obscure artists since their views from the other side of the spotlight would surely be illuminating.
Instead, Crary shifts gears after a mere 25 minutes and instead talks to current, younger bands like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Gogol Bordello, Liars, Black Dice, A.R.E. Weapons, and Flux Information Sciences. At best, some of these artists seem to have little in common with their supposed forebears, and at worst are irrelevantly vain and clueless. Gogol Bordello comes across as sincere and earnest in their efforts to combine disparate elements to create new sounds, yet their philosophy is at odds with those of the No Wave bands, many of whom were purposefully anti-music in their approach. It’s too bad that at the time of filming, Liars are pre-Drowned and still in their initial dance punk phase that thankfully gave way later to an uninhibited experimentalism that transcends their beginnings. Black Dice and Flux maintain respectability, but the likes of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and A.R.E. Weapons waste too much valuable screen time.
After interviewing the younger bands, Crary then starts interjecting barbed comments about them from the No Wave subjects. As justified as some of these comments are, I can’t help but wonder why Crary spent half the film building the case for the newer acts only to have the main subjects tear them down. I would much rather have had the film focus exclusively on the No Wave bands and go into more detail rather than try to make some dubious connections between these generations that are ultimately negated anyway. No Wave’s immediate scope of influence should have provided more than enough material to flesh out the documentary without having to resort to interviews with current bands, whose inclusion is a little baffling and suggests economic interests more than historical ones.
Despite these complaints, I’m happy the documentary exists at all. The relevant interviews are excellent, the footage is illuminating, and the editing of the feature cleverly reflects the aesthetics of the time in question. It’s not perfect by any means, but it’s enjoyable enough for what it is.

PAULYBEE2656 · 10.30.2006, 06:21 AM

a.r.e. weaopons suck tho!

the ikara cult · 10.30.2006, 07:02 PM

Sounds interesting. Does it focus much on Liars? I got this compilation a while back that had I dreamed a dream and a load of "no wave" things, it was called "New york noise 2" and it was quite interesting so id like it if it focused more on that sort of thing. If i can get hold of it in England i probably will.

Pax Americana · 10.31.2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656

a.r.e. weaopons suck tho!

True dat.

scott v · 11.06.2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pax Americana

True dat.

saw A.R.E. Weapons live about 3 or 4 years ago and i have to agree that they are not good to me...

and about the kill yr idols dvd... i was abit dissappointed in it overall, and it does speak from someone who is doing a "documentary for the first time" however they did do there homework on the subject, though the relationship being made with today's "no-wavers" (YYY, Liars, Black Dice, Gogo Bordello...etc) vs. the "no-originators" seem to carry on way to long and became unfocused unrealized and need i say pointless.

guitarpro · 11.17.2006, 01:36 PM

Can't wait to check that shit out

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PAULYBEE2656 invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: wexford, rep of ireland Posts: 6,930	dont think its that bad moshe. the yyy being in there kinda dumbifies the thing but its a pretty good watch. __________________ myspace facebook *twitter*
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pokkeherrie invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,289	pity. it's really a subject that deserves having a good documentary being made about it... don't think I'll find it for rent somewhere so I guess i'll wait for it to appear on youtube or something. there are lots of other DVDs I need to buy anyway, like the No Fun Fest one.
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10.28.2006, 06:59 PM	#33
Pax Americana expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,187	Meh, it was okay. I bought it thinking it would be better.
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10.30.2006, 01:03 AM	#35
Moshe Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,862	http://brainwashed.com/index.php?opt...k=view&id=5674 Kill Your Idols" Written by Matthew Amundsen Monday, 30 October 2006 New York’s No Wave scene of the late ‘70s was a brief but visionary moment in music history centering around bands whose members were frequently non-musicians but came from a variety of artistic backgrounds. While this documentary is by no means a definitive statement, it certainly sheds some light on what the movement was all about and what it meant to many of those involved, and how their pioneering spirit may or may not live on in the music of the generations who followed. Plexifilm The documentary begins appropriately enough with an interview with Martin Rev of Suicide. His description of how he and cohort Alan Vega were close to living on the street during Suicide’s genesis is a similar influence to the urban decay that fueled Lydia Lunch and her No Wave peers. Lunch features prominently here, along with Jim Sclavunos, Glenn Branca, Arto Lindsay, Michael Gira, Thurston Moore, and Jim Thirwell. Their stories, supplemented with music and footage from the time, gives a general impression of what the scene was all about. One of the criticism that’s hounded No New York, the Eno-produced compilation that brought the scene to light, is that it’s a mere tip of the iceberg and leaves out far more than it includes. Unfortunately, that trend continues here. One of the more noticeable omissions is Mars, who also featured on the compilation but only get the briefest mention here. Yet they’re not the only victims. As evidenced by the family tree included on the inside cover of the DVD, there were dozens of bands mining the same territory who will never see the light of day. It’s a shame that first-time director S.A. Crary didn’t hunt down some of these more obscure artists since their views from the other side of the spotlight would surely be illuminating. Instead, Crary shifts gears after a mere 25 minutes and instead talks to current, younger bands like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Gogol Bordello, Liars, Black Dice, A.R.E. Weapons, and Flux Information Sciences. At best, some of these artists seem to have little in common with their supposed forebears, and at worst are irrelevantly vain and clueless. Gogol Bordello comes across as sincere and earnest in their efforts to combine disparate elements to create new sounds, yet their philosophy is at odds with those of the No Wave bands, many of whom were purposefully anti-music in their approach. It’s too bad that at the time of filming, Liars are pre-Drowned and still in their initial dance punk phase that thankfully gave way later to an uninhibited experimentalism that transcends their beginnings. Black Dice and Flux maintain respectability, but the likes of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and A.R.E. Weapons waste too much valuable screen time. After interviewing the younger bands, Crary then starts interjecting barbed comments about them from the No Wave subjects. As justified as some of these comments are, I can’t help but wonder why Crary spent half the film building the case for the newer acts only to have the main subjects tear them down. I would much rather have had the film focus exclusively on the No Wave bands and go into more detail rather than try to make some dubious connections between these generations that are ultimately negated anyway. No Wave’s immediate scope of influence should have provided more than enough material to flesh out the documentary without having to resort to interviews with current bands, whose inclusion is a little baffling and suggests economic interests more than historical ones. Despite these complaints, I’m happy the documentary exists at all. The relevant interviews are excellent, the footage is illuminating, and the editing of the feature cleverly reflects the aesthetics of the time in question. It’s not perfect by any means, but it’s enjoyable enough for what it is.
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the ikara cult invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London sink Posts: 4,576	Sounds interesting. Does it focus much on Liars? I got this compilation a while back that had I dreamed a dream and a load of "no wave" things, it was called "New york noise 2" and it was quite interesting so id like it if it focused more on that sort of thing. If i can get hold of it in England i probably will.
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