[soapbars]

more important than the bullshit that surrounds them, remember they sound awful,

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by jon boy

what a suprise. does this mean another round of che guevera t shirts and middle class 16 year olds telling people 'fuck you i wont do what you tell me' after too much cheap lager on a tuesday night?

hey, i remember being 15 years old, shouting "fuck you i won't do what you tell me" at a big open air summer festival. this one to be exact, see if you can spot me in the crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerfuJmxD6I
i'm sure i had some lager, but since i had just discovered marijuana at the time, probably not too much. and it wasn't cheap lager either, them festivals were already expensive back in the 90's... my background is i reckon what is considered middle class, but i never owned a che guevara t shirt.


most importantly though... I'VE GROWN UP NOW... and so should the members of rage against the machine.

[kingcoffee]

Man, what is with all the RATM hate around here?? They were one of the only mainstreem bands that had the balls to talk about all the bullshit that the government and the status quo pulls. Just because a lot of their fans were white kids from suburbia who wore El Che shirts (and probably didnt know anything about Guevarra, unfortunately) doesn't mean the music or the message is any less important. They stood for defiance, strength, and human rights. They make many good points in songs like Testify and Guerilla Radio, Killing in the Name, Bulls on Parade, and Sleep Now in the Fire. They were also really good musicians. They played loud, heavy, unbridled, spirited music. When you hear them you know they mean and believe what they are doing.

[porkmarras]

The dilemma still exists:Who listens to them?The surfacing of them represents a downward spiral for american 'alternative' rock music to me.

[pokkeherrie]

Originally Posted by kingcoffee

Man, what is with all the RATM hate around here?? They were one of the only mainstreem bands that had the balls to talk about all the bullshit that the government and the status quo pulls. Just because a lot of their fans were white kids from suburbia who wore El Che shirts (and probably didnt know anything about Guevarra, unfortunately) doesn't mean the music or the message is any less important. They stood for defiance, strength, and human rights. They make many good points in songs like Testify and Guerilla Radio, Killing in the Name, Bulls on Parade, and Sleep Now in the Fire. They were also really good musicians. They played loud, heavy, unbridled, spirited music. When you hear them you know they mean and believe what they are doing.

I don't hate them, it's just that I can't take them serious... they spent more time at Grammy and MTV Awards than at political rallies... they were ideal for me during my "fuck you" period and I'm sure that counted/counts for many other kids too... but what are they trying to achieve with this reunion other than cashing in? or is it just coincidence that they're choosing to reunite on another huge summer festival?

[kingcoffee]

Probably just a coincidence. I've been waiting to hear of their reunion all throughout Bush's presidency. Besides, they are commies aren't they? Or at least socialists. That means they shouldn't bother with making a lotr of money. Zach de la Rocha left the band because of money (partly) and fame. They probably just feel they need to say something. Fucking musicians, always wanting to say something.

[kingcoffee]

Plus, they tried to sabotage awards shows. Remember when the bass player climbed the statue at wahtever-the-hell-award show that was? They arrested him. They like to fuck with the establishment. ANd to do so, you must penetrate the establishment. Besid3es, if someone gave you an award for an artisitic statement, wouldn't you accept it? They are trying to congardulate you on a job well done. Sure the Grammys and MTV are pretty indescriminate and therefore subject to criticism, but come on.

[Norma J]

Apparently Crowded House are back together for a tour too.

[timtimtim]

I think that they're getting back together because the last Audioslave album flopped and Cornell is taking time off to make a solo album

[Rob Instigator]

I hate them! Their polemic rhetoric is on the discourse level of a bright 12 year old! Many a metal band, cheeseball or not, before rage was shouting the exact same political mumbo jumbo. Ministry did it, megadeth did it, emtallica did it, slayer, nuclear assault, sacred reich, it is standard heavy metal lyrical topic. metal dudes do not sing of love, mainly because they never got any, and so they sing of politics, death, hate, loneliness, etc.
SONY corp is a subsidiary of mega multinational conglomerates who commit the very atrocities that zach the rat faced buttcrack sang about.

they could have taken a lesson from Fugazi, but instead they wanted to be big time rock stars. their didactic rants were their GIMMICK


get over rage against the machine.

[PAULYBEE2656]

oh no... the anti rage backlash has begun. i could say that i think they are the most underrated american performers to come of age post nirvana breakthrough. intello agit punk rap with a trailblazing and innotive guitarist who predefines the term "experimental". attacking the masses with a headbutt of political rampage the world hasnt seen since the days of the fuhrer and his cronies.

freedom music is a term loosely put to descrbe "people music" and te che guevara image associated with ratm is evidence of this bans power (che is argentinian yknow). i could say that without this and the world would have not heard th delights of of other rapfunknymetal acts like kjorn, limp wristed and other, in fact an entire scene for an entire generation would not have occoured. tom morello carving out pearls of wisdom from his single effect laden guitar to make it sound like a dj at a school dance, zack with his sensible yet aggressive lyrics shouting for the vote, shouting for peace, rapping for the maaaan. and the other 2 who did a thing with chris cornell...... but im not going to. they suck, they sucked before and im damn sure they will suck even more now.

[kingcoffee]

Nah, they dont suck. Even if the reunion is suspect, you cant take away that they were good musicians who made a good point. If that's yr standing on it then fine, but I will enjoy the music the way I do. I'm glad they are back. ANd also, I feel that RATM being compared to Korn or Limp Biscuit is really denegrating toward the talent Rage had. Korn sucked! Always did, always will. Ditto for Durst.

[Rob Instigator]

what exactly are the musical differences between korn , limp bisquick and deftones guitar attack and RATM's?

I have heard albums by all several times, and they are just as insipid, third rate riffing as a human can create

megadeth was better

[kingcoffee]

I just think RATM sounds better. The guitar and bass and drums and vocals as well as lyrical content just appeal to me more.

It's like asking the difference between Led Zeppelin or Journey? Although I like Zeppelin and I hate Journey, it all comes down to personal preference. Music is primarily subjective. If it is good to one person but garbage to another, who is right and who is wrong?

[bytheriver]

Well I like em, if you dont like the tunes fair enough but Ive had a lot of fun jumping around to their songs, I think theyd be ace live and would definately go see them. As far as their political 'shit' goes, I'd take misguided idealism over bullshit hipster artiness any day, at least they were saying something, and whilst Ive lost a lot of time for the left and the western protest movement I still think RATM were on the side of the angels. By the way did you know Tom Morello has a PHD in political science, not that means anything. Fuck You I Wont Do What You Tell Me is probably the best line for a fourteen year old to hear, it may not be smart but it sure is exciting.

wow giving opinions on message boards, like chewing air with a foaming mouth in an empty room.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

That's what I'm talking about! Fuck Rage, but J&MC I love. They have not performed since like 88 or some shit. I can't wait.

I saw JAMC in 1985 (supported by Sonic Youth), and they were amazing. Completely lived up to the hype that surrounded them at the time.

Then I saw them in 1996, and they were not amazing. Cool and aloof had turned into dull and lifeless.

Still, they were never appreciated as much as they should have been and so probably need the money.

[screamingskull]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

That's what I'm talking about! Fuck Rage, but J&MC I love. They have not performed since like 88 or some shit. I can't wait.

 

wow, i would totally go to this festival if it was in the uk

[jon boy]

Originally Posted by Kegmama

That's what I'm talking about! Fuck Rage, but J&MC I love. They have not performed since like 88 or some shit. I can't wait.

 

thought you would be pleased kar!

[The Lung]

Yeh I liked RATM when I was 12-14 but I would never listen to them again. However I think it is stupid to compare them to Korn and Limp Shit, Tom Morello has more talent in his hair than the other bands put together. Some of his solos with rage were really good but audioslave suck dog shit so fuck it.

EDIT: I wonder why J&MC aren't headlining?

[king_buzzo]

and so are j&mc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!