Tintin racist? Racist Tintin?

Pookie · 07.12.2007, 08:17 AM

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/art...124396,00.html

sonicl · 07.12.2007, 08:19 AM

That's downright stupid. Is The Merchant of Venice going to banned next for stereotyping Jews?

Prisstina · 07.12.2007, 09:31 AM

oh whatever. i hate idiots so wrapped up in making everything nice to EVERYONE.

i used to love tintin. i have a tintin pillow on my bed right now.

Toilet & Bowels · 07.12.2007, 10:39 AM

that book is a bit racist, as is tintin in the land of the soviets. it wasn't until a chinese student read that herge was working on a tintin story set in china (tintin and the blue lotus) and asked him not to portray the chinese as crudely as he had portrayed other races and nations in all his preceeding stories that herge started to undertake the thorough research that lead tintin to becoming such a benchmark comic series.

07.12.2007, 10:57 AM

Peter Pan's even worse.

Torn Curtain · 07.12.2007, 10:59 AM

The book is indeed racist but that only reflects the colonial mentality of the time.

Danny Himself · 07.12.2007, 11:01 AM

It's not racist, just ignorant. If you can't enjoy Tintin for what it is then there's no point reading it. Herge didn't set out to attack African culture when he wrote the book.

07.12.2007, 11:02 AM

Erm, that's racist.

Rob Instigator · 07.12.2007, 11:05 AM

I hates me the inferior right wing race

MellySingsDoom · 07.12.2007, 11:17 AM

Tintin's nowhere near as good as Asterix. That's my theory, and it's the theory that I have, which is mine.

Danny Himself · 07.12.2007, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

Tintin's nowhere near as good as Asterix. That's my theory, and it's the theory that I have, which is mine.

True, Asterix was more exciting. Even when Tintin was on perilous missions deep behind enemy lines, you were still half-bored with him.

Toilet & Bowels · 07.12.2007, 10:12 PM

i don't understand this whole tintin vs. asterix thing, people often say they prefer asterix to tinitin but how can you even compare them? they are nothing alike! besides, asterix is pretty boring, you know whatever happens he'll drink some magic potion and save the day.

pbradley · 07.12.2007, 10:24 PM

The Commission for Racial Equality; defeating modern racism by censoring racism from 70 years ago.

floatingslowly · 07.12.2007, 10:31 PM

I don't know about Tintin, but RinTinTin is trained to shoot injuns on SIGHT!

val-holla-ing · 07.13.2007, 01:55 AM

jeez. next thing, they'll be saying I'M racist.

oh wait, i am.

Hip Priest · 07.13.2007, 11:37 AM

The CRE are a baffling organisation. Some of the things they come out with are mind-boggling and intolerant.

This Tintin in the Congo book has its very bad points, especially some of the drawings of black people. But there are good reasons why Tintin shouldn't be banned.

There are lots of Tintin fans who are not racist. This is a fact - I know because I've met some. The book does not cause racism.

The racism in Tintin in the Congo is a product of the age it was written in. The book can be used to show this to children, and if we are to feel anything about the prejudics of a past age then it should be a sense of mocking that they were so commonplace. We shouldn't feel ashamed and embarrassed, because it wasn't us. We certainly shouldn't try to hide history under the carpet.

Hergé, the book's author, spent rather a lot of time apologising for Tintin's imperialist ways. He revised several of his stories (including stories about Soviets and Jews), showing that one can improve themselves through education and experience. What a shame people like the CRE can't see the benefit of such education.

This move is designed entirely to help with the 'guilt' of oversensitive people (so often sensitive on behalf of others, others who think hey are as daft as I do) who cannot stomach foul caricatures but are too embarrassed to explain things properly to their children.

I think Tintin is kind of OK, although I prefer the television series.

ploesj · 07.13.2007, 12:03 PM

helloo it's a book from the 1930's all black people were portrayed like that, and this stayed the same for years. Tintin is just one of the only ones from that time who is still popular... i don't really see the problem, they mentioned in the article the book has been published before with some text in it about the colonial mind of that time.

Rob Instigator · 07.13.2007, 12:06 PM

Rob Instigator · 07.13.2007, 12:09 PM

here is some tintin

I only know spanish and english. anyone can translate this?

o o o · 07.13.2007, 12:37 PM

tentative translation...

First picture:

"My army, European-style equipped, and well-trained, will easily defeat the Babaoro'm!"

Second picture, from top to bottom (it is supposed to be in broken english/whatever language is used):

"Think that in Europe all little Whites they are same as Tintin..."

"Me found machine of Tintin"

"If he not back in one year and one day, it belongs you!"

"if you not nice, you never be like Tintin!"

"Me never see again bula-matari like Tintin!..."

"This Snowy, what a guy!"

07.12.2007, 08:17 AM	#1
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07.12.2007, 08:19 AM	#2
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07.12.2007, 09:31 AM	#3
Prisstina the end of the ugly Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Killwaukee Posts: 996	oh whatever. i hate idiots so wrapped up in making everything nice to EVERYONE. i used to love tintin. i have a tintin pillow on my bed right now. __________________
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07.12.2007, 10:39 AM	#4
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,214	that book is a bit racist, as is tintin in the land of the soviets. it wasn't until a chinese student read that herge was working on a tintin story set in china (tintin and the blue lotus) and asked him not to portray the chinese as crudely as he had portrayed other races and nations in all his preceeding stories that herge started to undertake the thorough research that lead tintin to becoming such a benchmark comic series.
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07.12.2007, 10:57 AM	#5
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Peter Pan's even worse.
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07.12.2007, 10:59 AM	#6
Torn Curtain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 7,997	The book is indeed racist but that only reflects the colonial mentality of the time.
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07.12.2007, 11:01 AM	#7
Danny Himself invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,623	It's not racist, just ignorant. If you can't enjoy Tintin for what it is then there's no point reading it. Herge didn't set out to attack African culture when he wrote the book.
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07.12.2007, 11:02 AM	#8
sarramkrop Posts: n/a	Erm, that's racist.
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MellySingsDoom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,662	Tintin's nowhere near as good as Asterix. That's my theory, and it's the theory that I have, which is mine. __________________ Snow on Easter Sunday - Jesus Christ in reverse.
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07.12.2007, 10:12 PM	#12
Toilet & Bowels invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 12,214	i don't understand this whole tintin vs. asterix thing, people often say they prefer asterix to tinitin but how can you even compare them? they are nothing alike! besides, asterix is pretty boring, you know whatever happens he'll drink some magic potion and save the day.
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07.12.2007, 10:24 PM	#13
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floatingslowly invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 21,165	I don't know about Tintin, but RinTinTin is trained to shoot injuns on SIGHT!
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07.13.2007, 11:37 AM	#16
Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	The CRE are a baffling organisation. Some of the things they come out with are mind-boggling and intolerant. This Tintin in the Congo book has its very bad points, especially some of the drawings of black people. But there are good reasons why Tintin shouldn't be banned. There are lots of Tintin fans who are not racist. This is a fact - I know because I've met some. The book does not cause racism. The racism in Tintin in the Congo is a product of the age it was written in. The book can be used to show this to children, and if we are to feel anything about the prejudics of a past age then it should be a sense of mocking that they were so commonplace. We shouldn't feel ashamed and embarrassed, because it wasn't us. We certainly shouldn't try to hide history under the carpet. Hergé, the book's author, spent rather a lot of time apologising for Tintin's imperialist ways. He revised several of his stories (including stories about Soviets and Jews), showing that one can improve themselves through education and experience. What a shame people like the CRE can't see the benefit of such education. This move is designed entirely to help with the 'guilt' of oversensitive people (so often sensitive on behalf of others, others who think hey are as daft as I do) who cannot stomach foul caricatures but are too embarrassed to explain things properly to their children. I think Tintin is kind of OK, although I prefer the television series. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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07.13.2007, 12:03 PM	#17
ploesj invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: antwerp. Posts: 2,901	helloo it's a book from the 1930's all black people were portrayed like that, and this stayed the same for years. Tintin is just one of the only ones from that time who is still popular... i don't really see the problem, they mentioned in the article the book has been published before with some text in it about the colonial mind of that time. __________________ blog flickr
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07.13.2007, 12:09 PM	#19
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,930	here is some tintin I only know spanish and english. anyone can translate this? __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.13.2007, 12:37 PM	#20
o o o the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 613	tentative translation... First picture: "My army, European-style equipped, and well-trained, will easily defeat the Babaoro'm!" Second picture, from top to bottom (it is supposed to be in broken english/whatever language is used): "Think that in Europe all little Whites they are same as Tintin..." "Me found machine of Tintin" "If he not back in one year and one day, it belongs you!" "if you not nice, you never be like Tintin!" "Me never see again bula-matari like Tintin!..." "This Snowy, what a guy!"
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