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Old 08.15.2014, 08:00 AM   #1821
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If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.

The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.

The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.

Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:

Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force. It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians.

The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:

Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”?
Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”

How did this happen?

Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances.

There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”

Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”

Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”

When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.

Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.

Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.

Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.
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Old 08.15.2014, 01:46 PM   #1822
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I guess I wasn't clear enough when I pointed out that I had been on vacation with spotty cell and internet service. We were in a beachfront cabin for the past four days. Most of my time was spent in the water, on the sand or on the cabins deck where the view and the sounds of waves crashing was awesome! In the cabin, our cells wouldn't connect to the internet and half the time text messages would not send / delivered. So every couple of hours I would walk downstairs and walk anywhere from a basketball courts to a football fields length away from the coast up the road until my email / twitter would load. I would then return to the deck of the cabin to catch up, but none of the "links" wouldn't open so most everything I knew was based on 140 characters or less.

This is why I asked the question when I returned home yesterday. In no way was I trolling, I was information seeking. To be honest, I can't believe I'm even wasting my time explaining this......asked a simple question and I was just looking for a simple answer.

So, as I expected, the officer who pulled the trigger was suspended pending investigation per departmental policy. This is the standard procedure in all officer involved shootings. Good, bad and ugly, the police officer has rights and is represented by a union. His and the rest of the officers union dues provide legal council in these situations.

Per the union and police departments agreed upon policies, the officers name is released to the public as it was today......it always is! I'm sure different city / states abide different time-frames for releasing names and information, but it's always released! In fact, I feel confident you can't find an occasion where an officers name wasn't released. Well......I'm talking about officers who wear uniforms everyday, undercover detectives who are deep into an investigations are probably handled differently, but this is not the situation in Ferguson.

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I guess I should point out that I work with police officers / the court system on a regular basis. Just like all professions, some are brilliant while other are total jerks who abuse the power of their uniform / position. On the reg, police officers are suspended, investigated and fired / prosecuted in Texas. Sure, some are no billed or result as a justified shooting, but not because the person was unarmed standing in the middle of the street.

In Texas, we have the Texas Rangers who are called in to investigate officer involved shootings because often times you need an unbiased person doing so.

I agree what happened in Ferguson is tragic. I also fully believe whatever happens to this officer would have been the same outcome no matter the protesting and looting......but it's not happening this week or next. The investigation will be conducted, the local DA will decide if he presents it to a Grand Jury and that group of citizens will vote to hand down an indictment......I'm guessing they will!

Oh - one last thing and I understand it may sound racist......if it would have been a black officer who pulled the trigger killing a black, white or Hispanic person, the citizens of Ferguson wouldn't be protesting in the streets, social media wouldn't be responding / reporting and none of you would be discussing this on SYG!
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Old 08.15.2014, 02:46 PM   #1823
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@ bytor yeah i know you weren't trolling, i read what you said. i posted you the rant paul rant to catch you up though-- i figured he'd speak to you better than suchfriends . me i disagree with paul-- i think sometimes there's plenty reason to riot ha ha ha.

anyway i hope your vacation was good and this shit doesn't sour the effects of the well-deserved rest. but yeah it's fucked, and cmon, you know there's bias.

on related "funny" news, just a day or two ago some black dude was being harassed by a shirtless white man in a mall. the security guard came up and maced the black dude. ah ha ha ha ha. yes that is the laugh of bitterness not joy.
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Old 08.16.2014, 05:34 PM   #1824
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I wasn't trolling you yo, indeed my reply to you was life or death serious. Also to be sure, you're trolling us if you think you asked "a simple question"...
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.....asked a simple question and I was just looking for a simple answer.

Again, not sure if you're trolling us or not because simply put there IS NO SIMPLE ANSWER..

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In fact, I feel confident you can't find an occasion where an officers name wasn't released.

In California it took a state Supreme Court decision to force local law enforcement agencies to comply and release officer involved names, the unions had been balking and side-stepping for years claiming "officer safety" bullshit... To be sure, many agencies are either trying to appeal the decision or use lawyer tactics to continue to avoid releasing the names..

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Yes and it took several days of rioting to coerce the police to release this information which should have been made public on the first day. If the officer and the agency stand behind the shooting, they should be up front with full disclosure, if not, what are they hiding exactly?


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On the reg, police officers are suspended, investigated and fired / prosecuted in Texas. Sure, some are no billed or result as a justified shooting, but not because the person was unarmed standing in the middle of the street.



How many officers in Texas that you know of have been dismissed or fired because of officer involved shootings? Shit, in California that BART police officer who killed Oscar Grant a few years ago was literally the FIRST officer in California state history (since 1850!!) to face murder charges, and to be sure, he was only convicted involuntary manslaughter and did a year on the LA County jail..

Lets see what they say..

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As we've noted before, it's rare for criminal charges to be filed when a police officer shoots a civilian. In Austin, when Detective Charles Kleinert was indicted for the shooting of Larry Jackson Jr. last month, it was the first such indictment out of 25 potential incidents; in Houston, Harris County grand juries have indicted only one officer since 2004; in Dallas, a pair of indictments this spring broke a forty-year drought for criminal charges against police officers who've shot civilians.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/daily-po...d-manslaughter

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In Texas, we have the Texas Rangers who are called in to investigate officer involved shootings because often times you need an unbiased person doing so.

No disrespect, but Bytor you're an intelligent guy, do you honestly believe the Rangers are somehow unbiased?



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Only because of the national attention.. If this hadn't made the national news cycle it would have just been another "thug" killed by the "good ol boys in blue"

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Oh - one last thing and I understand it may sound racist......if it would have been a black officer who pulled the trigger killing a black, white or Hispanic person, the citizens of Ferguson wouldn't be protesting in the streets, social media wouldn't be responding / reporting and none of you would be discussing this on SYG!

That is tone deaf statement. The police kill people of ALL races unjustly and people SHOULD be protesting indeed RIOTING in political retaliation. When the police kill innocent people, the community shouldn't react as "business as usual" the community should shut down and destroy all activity until the situation is properly rectified otherwise the police carry on and killing people becomes part and parcel with "business as usual" Look at the demonstrations that lasted for several weeks in Athens, Greece a few years ago over ONE police killing? Shit, in the US FOUR police killings have made the national news cycle just in the past two weeks, we just had THREE here in Los Angeles since August 1 (which didn't make the news by the way and unfortunately we are so used to it here and powerless in the face of swift retaliation by the law enforcement that people don't march anymore, all that "military" response people saw in Ferguson was invented here in Los Angeles, shit just looks like a Laker championship parade to me yo )

It is police killing unarmed people, EVEN IF CRIMINALS, that is the problem. When the police respond to public protest with military force, that is an even WORSE problem. Indeed, the situation in Ferguson isn't about the killing of Michael Brown any longer, its now about how the police there have been using violence and intimidation. Remember this Bytor, the riots in LA didn't have shit to do with Rodney King, they reflected the reality that EVERYBODY knew somebody who like King had been beaten up by the police. LAPD was ruthless in the 1980s, and racist like the South African Police... The people are upset in Ferguson and surrounding areas because of a long standing history of racism and brutality by law enforcement, that is what motivates them.
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Can't wait to see this bill...


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I went to the hospital Friday....and I found out I don't have health insurance ^_^

Can't wait to see this bill...


Thanks for telling me you took me off the health insurance, Dad.

maybe he's trying the sink-or-swim tough love approach to life but-- daaaaaaamn! a ilttle warning...
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So I was originally quite excited because I got a chill part-time job with flexible hours to work at after my main job but in between classes at grad school. Then today at training I come to find out that they didn't put me in any of the departments that I wanted to work at when I initially applied, jobs that require my totally kick ass people skills, but instead put me in the WORST fucking job I could imagine, a job I would NEVER have even fucking applied for, cashier.. by the way the busiest week of the entire fucking year is my first week and by the way, did I mention I've never fucking even touched a cash register before in my fucking life?

I'm trying to use my charm which would have made be a great asset in the other departments to charm myself into not being so stressed out/pissed off about this but fucking mother fucking shit, I'm totally disappointed. I'd honestly just quit if I didn't need the money..

Meh.. I've been spoiled most of my life to have had jobs I've loved, indeed I never have had a job I even remotely hated before, so now its time to be humble and do this shit Like A Boss yo


 
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you have a full-time job, grad school, AND a part time job?

where ever the fuck do you find time to study?? that schedule is bananas. does not compute.
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you have a full-time job, grad school, AND a part time job?

where ever the fuck do you find time to study?? that schedule is bananas. does not compute.

 


I know it doesn't compute, indeed, I haven't even got started yet so I plan to be living on coffee and wishful thinking for the next few years but it is what it is because I need the money to make everything work out.. Also I was overreacting to the bitching about the cashier shit, it wasn't so bad. I just have literally NEVER done that shit before so I was nervous..
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I know it doesn't compute, indeed, I haven't even got started yet so I plan to be living on coffee and wishful thinking for the next few years but it is what it is because I need the money to make everything work out.. Also I was overreacting to the bitching about the cashier shit, it wasn't so bad. I just have literally NEVER done that shit before so I was nervous..

oh yeah, cashier is not difficult, a monkey can do it-- i know because i've done it, ha haha. not my favorite thing though, when this monkey got jammed and there was a big line it was a headache. but you still get to interact with the public. maybe you can request a transfer after you've settled-- stores are replacing real cashiers with those self-checkouts anyway-- no future in that line of work.

at this point if you want to make everything work but your body can't function you might wanna look for some kind of merit scholarship (sons of ethiopia fund, etc) or last resort a modest (i.e., repayable, no bigger than, say, 20% of your annual income upon graduation) student loan. or you could go teach for america or something where they pay your school?

my memories of grad school are of atrocious workloads; adding 2 jobs to that could ruin your grades (and that's the last thing you want in grad school).

additionally-- i know you're tied to LA but there are school districts that will pay for your grad studies/licensure while you work there. you'll have to go to "undesirable" districts but you might pull it off.

well it's your life anyway so you know what works for you but… best wishes!
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at this point if you want to make everything work but your body can't function you might wanna look for some kind of merit scholarship (sons of ethiopia fund, etc) or last resort a modest (i.e., repayable, no bigger than, say, 20% of your annual income upon graduation) student loan. or you could go teach for america or something where they pay your school?




For various political issues I am completely ineligible for student aid even loans so whatever happens I am on my own on this one.. I am in the process of getting a conventional loan but there are roadblocks there too but as soon as a large enough loan clears I will definitely cut my workload down to a more manageable size. As to scholarships, looking into that too but its only my first semester back so since I wasn't previously enrolled I wasn't eligible for most and so I had to wait until I had an active student ID and/or schedule which are usually part of the submission requirements.

In the meantime, I just got to get on the grind, "Only muscle and blood can pass the test.."


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Also, I AM FUCKING PISSED BECAUSE THE POLICE HERE IN LA AREA KILLED A SEVENTH PERSON SINCE AUGUST 1

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ow, be careful with those private loans man. they can be the worst.

no federal loans but no federal grants or loan forgiveness either?

https://studentaid.ed.gov/types/gran...larships/teach

https://studentaid.ed.gov/repay-loan...charts/teacher

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/teach...s_degrees.html

etc.

again best wishes. damn!

ps- and what about your state???

pps- looks like those TEACH grants would be perfect for you.
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ow, be careful with those private loans man. they can be the worst.

no federal loans but no federal grants or loan forgiveness either?

Exactly, no federal assistance of any kind. It is what it is. You and I had a similar discussion five years ago about Grad School when I was going to UCLA.. In my program there and now at the CSU I am currently at there are no Grad-Assistantship programs for our department...

Even if predatory, I have no choice but the loan, even working all these jobs I can't really afford this once my savings run out (remember I don't work 3 months in the summer and have to save money for that on top of tuition and books and I finally broke down and bought a car so there is that too) hence why this is in the "bitch about shit.." thread.

But again, only muscle and blood can pass the test so I'm gonna just have to Boss Up Like A Boss

I'M ALSO PISSED BECAUSE AUTOPSY SHOWS THAT MICHAEL BROWN WAS SHOT TWICE IN THE HEAD. IN THE FUCKING HEAD? HE WAS UNARMED... EVEN IF THE KID MANHANDLED A POLICE OFFICER, WHY SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD AFTER HE RAN AWAY?? DON'T ANYBODY SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING LEG ANYMORE???

FUCKING COPS. PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SO TONE DEAF THAT A MAJORITY SUPPORT THE OFFICER. SADLY IT INCREASINGLY LOOKS LIKE IT DID IN THE MID-1960S.. IT SEEMS THAT CONVENTIONAL POLITICAL AND SOCIAL CHANNELS AREN'T ENOUGH, THE ONLY WAY THE TRUTH WILL BE MANIFESTED IS THROUGH RIOTING, UPRISINGS, AND VIOLENCE.
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BBC News recently reported that radiation levels around Fukushima are “18 times higher” than previously believed.

Yale Professor Charles Perrow is warning that if the cleanup of Fukushima is not handled with 100% precision that humanity could be threatened “for thousands of years“…
Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years.
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If this hadn't made the national news cycle it would have just been another "thug" killed by the "good ol boys in blue"

Last week, that was a matter of opinion......this week???

You see, if they were protesting about this last week because the citizens of Ferguson felt it wasn't receiving the proper attention, how do you explain the protesting this week after the Governor of Missouri and the President Of The United States have each addressed it multiple times? Not to mention that all the 24 hour news networks are broadcasting it for all to see.

The truth about "thugs" is they don't know the first thing about protesting as protesting requires forethought and the means to an end. There is NO solution when all you have is "thugs" who just stand on a street corner looking for the opportunity to take advantage of a situation.

Jonathan Gentry is a citizen of Ferguson and sees first hand what changes need to take place.

In a strange twist of fate, Darren Willson's father lives here in Southeast Texas.
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After the latest propaganda, I'm of the mind the cop was warranted to shoot, Michael Brown seems like apiece of work who was always doing dumb shit. You physically try to fight with a cop, you are going to go down.

The US Army conducted urban response training in the area with local pd recently, so this military action is not unexpected. Ferguson is our Guernica.
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After the latest propaganda, I'm of the mind the cop was warranted to shoot, Michael Brown seems like apiece of work who was always doing dumb shit. You physically try to fight with a cop, you are going to go down.
You disappoint me Tesla.. so he deserved to be shot six times, and in the head twice??? All while running away AFTER the physical altercation and indeed, after the cop had fired a shot from inside the car which broke up the fight? No Michael Brown wasn't a saint, but even criminals don't deserve to be summarily executed in the street.

Grow up. All your political paranoia and yet you have NO HEART. You scoff the police when it suits your agenda but here you side them? What is your angle exactly?


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I envy your naivette..


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You see, if they were protesting about this last week because the citizens of Ferguson felt it wasn't receiving the proper attention, how do you explain the protesting

That is where your tone deaf to the heart of this issue. After the heavy handed police response to demonstrations over the past week the people there are upset for entirely new reasons, indeed its become bigger than Michael Brown's death now.. People are upset about how THEY were treated by the police as well as what happened to Michael Brown. Further they are venting decades worth of frustration, generational experience of abuse, harassment, and violence by police. Like I told you before, the killing of Michael Brown is just the tip of a much larger, systemic iceberg..

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this week after the Governor of Missouri and the President Of The United States have each addressed it multiple times? Not to mention that all the 24 hour news networks are broadcasting it for all to see.

And if they weren't still demonstrating, protesting, and yes, rioting every single night then the media would probably lose its attention span with 24-48 hours... Also to be sure the recent surge in demonstrations and rioting is in response to the autopsy released yesterday which concluded that Michael Brown was shot in the head. That pissed people off..

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THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU CAN'T SEEM TO SEPARATE THE REALITY THAT THERE ARE A SMALL PROPORTION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RIOTING AND BRINGING VIOLENCE AND THERE ARE A MAJORITY OF PEACEFUL BUT PERSISTENT DEMONSTRATORS AND PROTESTORS. Regardless of the media portrayal, the protestors are NOT directly connected with the rioting, they are separate.


I'm praying for you Bytor, because you're a good man and I like you, but sometimes you really can't see the forest for the trees yo
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