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Old 06.27.2012, 08:34 PM   #1641
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you misunderstood my casual abuse of syntax and grammar.

I didn't say the game was predictable, if anything Portugal's defense at shutting out Spain for the first time in 17 games was quite surprising. what was predictable my friend, was that Portugal took a dive ala Lebron 2010 and 2011
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Old 06.27.2012, 11:01 PM   #1642
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Silva's been awful in every game bar the one against Ireland and as you say, Negredo didn't work at all. I do think Xavi was a bit anonymous though (as he has been for most of the tournament) and probably justified his substitution - especially as I actually think Pedro did ok. As Bertrand mentioned in an earlier post, Spain seem to improve when they sub in some younger blood. But none of their attacking options, even (dare i say it?) Iniesta, are really doing it.


xavi wasn't his best but he's good on attack and defense and communicates well with iniesta and maybe silva could have gone instead.

pedro did nothing by the end of regulation time and only really appeared at the very end of the first overtime when he created a nice play out of the left corner but it came to nothing. then he missed a chance to score--idiotic. then he did some other stuff but he did it while everyone else around him was exhausted-- a kind of silva vs. ireland situation.

the substitute who did best in my eyes was actually navas. well, fabregas for negredo too but that was a wasted substitution.

re: their attack: i see iniesta as more of a playmaker, much like pirlo or ozil. sure all of them can score, and do, but it's more out of opportunity than from playing in a goalscoring position; and while iniesta is as versatile as it gets loves to shoot on goal he's not striker material.

the thing is, italy has balotelli and di natale and cassano (and diamanti, who can fill his shoes); germany has klose and gomez and mueller and schürrle and reus and podolski; spain has... silva? nice dribbling but totally melts down when facing the goal. negredo? couldn't do a thing. torres? in del bosque's shit list. llorente? hasn't played even once. fábregas is great but he isn't a natural forward. like you i think they will have trouble in the final. and i hope it's with germany! they have a great midfield but also they have lots of attacking options, as they showed against greece.

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you misunderstood my casual abuse of syntax and grammar.

I didn't say the game was predictable, if anything Portugal's defense at shutting out Spain for the first time in 17 games was quite surprising. what was predictable my friend, was that Portugal took a dive ala Lebron 2010 and 2011

uh? who? i'm sorry man, i don't know anything about professional basketball nor cabrón james; the only dive i saw from portugal was cronaldo's, and he got a yellow card for it, the fucking clown.
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Old 06.28.2012, 08:30 AM   #1643
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xavi wasn't his best but he's good on attack and defense and communicates well with iniesta and maybe silva could have gone instead.

I'm an enormous fan of Xavi and he's probably been my favourite player in the world these past few seasons, but, whether it's fatigue after a long season or simply not being in form, he's definitely not firing on all cylinders and I think that's a major reason behind the teams overall lack of bite up front. Another reason may be Del Bosque's decision to field two holding midfielders (Alonso and Busquets) instead of one, giving the midfield a far more defensive complexion than we've perhaps come to expect. In the right formation, and with both players in form, the Xavi-Iniesta partnership may be the most formidable in all of football right now but they're definitely not clicking at the moment.

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re: their attack: i see iniesta as more of a playmaker, much like pirlo or ozil. sure all of them can score, and do, but it's more out of opportunity than from playing in a goalscoring position; and while iniesta is as versatile as it gets loves to shoot on goal he's not striker material.

I'd say Iniesta is one of the few players who can do just about anything but again, i think Spain's style is so dependent on every player clicking, and with Xavi clearly below par, I just don't think he's getting the service. Even so, I love watching him, even when his moves amount to nothing.

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the thing is, italy has balotelli and di natale and cassano (and diamanti, who can fill his shoes); germany has klose and gomez and mueller and schürrle and reus and podolski; spain has... silva? nice dribbling but totally melts down when facing the goal. negredo? couldn't do a thing. torres? in del bosque's shit list. llorente? hasn't played even once. fábregas is great but he isn't a natural forward. like you i think they will have trouble in the final. and i hope it's with germany! they have a great midfield but also they have lots of attacking options, as they showed against greece.

I can only imagine what Llorente must've done to upset Del Bosque. Why take a striker and not use him, especially when the others available aren't exactly proving prolific? I've heard he's not 100% fit but I'd have thought he'd still be useful, if only as a sub. Saying all that, the very fact that Spain have reached the final, however unspectacularly, without a functioning striker is pretty impressive.

But more seriously, we must never forget ...

 
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Old 06.28.2012, 12:36 PM   #1644
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i guess you're right about the xavi substitution (and paul scholes, iniesta, etc), but pedro sucked.
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Old 06.28.2012, 01:08 PM   #1645
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oh, come on, portugal stood up to spain in a huge way. yes, more chess match than fireworks in the end, but stil, i thought it was interesting, the way maybe entomologists find flies fucking also interesting (ha ha). but seriously, i love the way they clamped down on spain, super-focused, and they continued going on the offense until they ran out of gas.

I found it mostly boring, especially the second half. I mainly blame Spain for that, mind, Portugal played to their capacities and even looked the better team in the first half (despite the statistics) and they could've won it even in the last minute when they broke out 4 against 2... I didn't see the Spain-France game that everyone called a borefest, so I'm taking the opportunity to bitch about them now instead. I stayed at home to watch them because it was the only game I could watch this week, but at the end I figured I should've done something else instead.

I think tonight's going to be a way more interesting game. Germany may have the better players but I think it's going to be closer than a lot of people think. I'd never rule out an Italian win, no matter how "bad" they may look... seen it happen too often.

I felt sorry for Bruno Alves who had to make the nerve-wrecking walk from the halfway line towards the penalty area twice because Nani called him back the first time... I didn't really expect him to score after that.
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Old 06.28.2012, 01:18 PM   #1646
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yeah the 2nd half wasn't as good, portugal didn't counterattack so much in the later part, but yeah, okay. spain-france was a sad spectacle.

today (it's noon here!) i hope it's going to be awesome. i really love italy, they are a good team, buffon is a fucking titan, and pirlo a genius, and crazy balotelli with all his faults is a huge talent, so anything can happen of course. i would like germany to win and have put all my chips on them for the fantasy league, but am i sure they will win? hell no.

im wearing a white tshirt though! lololol
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I'm an enormous fan of Xavi and he's probably been my favourite player in the world these past few seasons, but, whether it's fatigue after a long season or simply not being in form, he's definitely not firing on all cylinders and I think that's a major reason behind the teams overall lack of bite up front.

Wasn't that a quote by Del Bosque? "It's important that Xavi plays well, because if Xavi plays well then the team plays well" or something like that.
Pedro looked alright in my book. At the very least you could say that he was more dangerous than Negredo (as was the corner flag).

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Saying all that, the very fact that Spain have reached the final, however unspectacularly, without a functioning striker is pretty impressive.

There's a lot to say about Spain's "attacking weaknesses", but just looking at the amount of goals they're not doing any worse than in 2010. They only scored 8 goals in 7 games during the world cup! (I still can't get my head round that)

So in that regard Spain already outdid themselves by scoring 8 goals in their first 4 games. Shots on goals however is probably a different matter entirely. If I remember correctly (don't have time to check now), after 90 minutes it was only one save for Patricio and zero for Casillas... and that's where it gets really impressive: during the knock-out phases of the tournaments, Spain haven't conceded a single goal in 2008, 2010 and 2012.
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Old 06.28.2012, 01:28 PM   #1648
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today (it's noon here!) i hope it's going to be awesome. i really love italy, they are a good team, buffon is a fucking titan, and pirlo a genius, and crazy balotelli with all his faults is a huge talent, so anything can happen of course. i would like germany to win and have put all my chips on them for the fantasy league, but am i sure they will win? hell no.

im wearing a white tshirt though! lololol

Have a good game! I hope Germany will win it too!

(it's become acceptable for Dutch people to support Germany nowadays, mostly because they've started playing a lot more attractive ever since 2006, while our own team has become way more conservative/boring).
(edit: in 2006 and 2010 Germany were great, but somehow they were mostly awful at 2008 though, I blame Ballack)
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Ah, fuck it, I'm gonna stay home and watch this one too! (had agreed to go to a gig somewhere in town, but I can't be all that bothered at the moment.
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Old 06.28.2012, 02:29 PM   #1650
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Anyones who says they predicted that Germany would be 2 down before half time is a bullshitter. Just brilliant. Italy ahve sure brought their A game and then some.
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Old 06.28.2012, 02:37 PM   #1651
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Anyones who says they predicted that Germany would be 2 down before half time is a bullshitter. Just brilliant. Italy ahve sure brought their A game and then some.

fuck! germany started controlling the midfield but italy quickly figured out how to get over that with long balls. i am suffering here, but hats off to italy, amazing performance.

meanwhile podolski is fucking up and gomez is out of it. it's not just that italy is doing great but also germany is not performing.

bring in schurrle and klose for fucks sakes

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not schurrle, but reus. gomez isn't getting any balls from the right. gomez alone in front is a dead end.
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oh fuck yes reus is getting instructions he's going in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 06.28.2012, 03:40 PM   #1655
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fuck me, what a fucking disaster

hats off to italy, they played a great game

though it was hard for me to watch i could still see

well i hope italy wins the final
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Well that along with Nadal losing in the second (or was it third?) bloody round of the tennis has led to a shock day for sport.

Was surprised there didn't seem to be more of Ozil during the game. As for Pirlo a)he crosses like a mother bitch and b)I need to know what conditioner he uses. His hair is like silk.
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suprised a little by italy today but they played well and should have had more goals. i still think spain will win though but it will be close.
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the stupid fucker! zonal marking had a better assessment of the situation than him:

1) However, it might be wise for Germany to sit slightly deeper than usual. If they press relentlessly in midfield, they risk becoming overrun in the centre of the pitch, because Italy have extra players in there, and have the passing skills to work the ball past Germany’s players. For all Low’s talk of not letting Italy dictate the tempo of the match, the simple midfield numbers game might make this unavoidable at points.


exactly what happened

2) Germany may be good in possession – but they’re also the competition’s best side at transitions, and that ability might be more useful against an Italian side that hasn’t been sufficiently been tested in that respect, aside from brief moments against Ireland, when they looked vulnerable to quick wingers.

and yet, during the whole first half, germany attacked through the middle

 


also, gomez totally cracking under pressure = FAIL

and why podolski why o why
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The stage is all set for Spain to make football history by winning 3 tournaments in a row, only for the world media to say "Yeah, but they aint as good as they used to be are they"

They will find a way to beat Italy (but given how every prediction i ever make is wrong, youre best off taking that as a queue to put your house on the Italians)
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