[hirsute_biped]

SY is ten times the band for their remarkable longevity, consistancy, and perseverance. to hell with being #1, or a buzz band, we know they're the best!

[pbradley]

Weren't Sonic Youth to headline the 2004 Lollapalooza before it was cancelled? If you look at it's line-up, there really weren't any big Mtv names except for The Killers and Modest Mouse.

I assume promoters took a page from this by assuming that "the guard has changed" when it comes to pop culture. Mtv crowd don't know 'em, the hip crowd are forging their own scene.

[Washing Machine]

Regardless of their name it seems to me they could have sold some recent singles on poppy hook lines alone. Pookie that 1991 lineup was incredable. Those were the days..

I was talking to someone the other day he thought he was the coolest music guy in the world for going to the NME tour and talking about The Automatic, The Kooks, and the Arctic Monkeys. never heard of Sonic Youth, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr. A complete and utter up himself arse. Who unfortunately did not have the musical knowledge to justify being such a prick.
Well when one takes what is cool from the NME I suppose...

[GrungeMonkey]

Originally Posted by sonicl

I think you'll find it's the young "rock 'n' roll" death that benefits those artists reputation, not their short careers. Misunderstood martyrs will always have a captive audience.

Well I know for those two particular artists the young death had a lot to do with it, but if you have a short career, theres no time to screw up what youre good at is there? A lot of bands that didn't last that long have this sense of mysticism and "never made a bad record" thing - the sex pistols, the stooges (before they reunited and made their awful latest album) the velvet underground etc...

[Washing Machine]

Hmm but 'Nevermind the bollocks' was mindless craptrap and even the almighty Velvets had a few stinkers. I think its to do with this quasi-religious thing that goes through music. Almost like artists have to die for their art.

[SonicSam]

Originally Posted by Washing Machine

Hmm but 'Nevermind the bollocks' was mindless craptrap .

yeah, but it was the start of a new movement. As for why sonic youth aren't high up on festivals. It's because SY have always been a band who thrives off album sales. Whereas a lot of bands, like say black eyed peas to name a band that was mentioned earlier. They have radfioplay and rely on big singles. Which means 'Joe public' have at least heard a few of their songs, so people want to hear these songs so they put them further up. I havn't explained this well, I hope you realise what I mean!

[Washing Machine]

Yeah I think you have a point SonicSam, its just I cant understand why stuff like Incinerate, Sunday etc,etc cant get radioplay.

I dislike The Sex Pistol immensely because they represent everything I dont like about Punk, its a vulgar consolidation of all the worst elements of the movement. The fact that they sing about anarchy (an insane concept in itself, at least the form of anarchy they talked about) then around the edge of the CD is says "Copyright blah blah, Prosecution blah blah". It seems to me to be more than slightly hypocritical. They seem to be offensive for the sake of being offensive. There is no real message. At least not an intelligent one anyway. Patti Smith, The Stooges, Television, the No-wave bands they represent everything that I love about Punk. The idea of pushing against artistic barriers, making art on your own terms for the sake of art, independent music and community. Not ranting and raving with a safety pin in your noise. It all seems rather silly to me. Its a side of punk I would like to see irradiated from the pages of musical history.

[Everyneurotic]

because festivals suck.

[eatmychild]

Originally Posted by Trasher02

It's just because more then 50% of the world has absolutely no taste in music whatsoever.

At least 80%.

[SonicSam]

Originally Posted by Washing Machine

Yeah I think you have a point SonicSam, its just I cant understand why stuff like Incinerate, Sunday etc,etc cant get radioplay.

I dislike The Sex Pistol immensely because they represent everything I dont like about Punk, its a vulgar consolidation of all the worst elements of the movement. The fact that they sing about anarchy (an insane concept in itself, at least the form of anarchy they talked about) then around the edge of the CD is says "Copyright blah blah, Prosecution blah blah". It seems to me to be more than slightly hypocritical. They seem to be offensive for the sake of being offensive. There is no real message. At least not an intelligent one anyway. Patti Smith, The Stooges, Television, the No-wave bands they represent everything that I love about Punk. The idea of pushing against artistic barriers, making art on your own terms for the sake of art, independent music and community. Not ranting and raving with a safety pin in your noise. It all seems rather silly to me. Its a side of punk I would like to see irradiated from the pages of musical history.

yeah, true I mean I don't really like the sex pistols or 'that side of punk', but without them there could possibly havebeen no punk music...then again another band couldhave come along instead of them, I mean the ramones had practically started off punk rock anyway and yeah all that sex pistols anarchy bullshit is so ridiculous.

[mAraujo]

They're going to be headlining in Portugal, but that's probably because festivals usually only have one "big" band playing each day, here.

[something]

music today is fucked in the head