[porkmarras]

There is nothing remotely intimidating about Kathleen Hanna.As far as strong women go,she is one of the weakest.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

two totally different "acts".

I agree, but once again you've completely changed positions from what you earlier said. I merely believe that if one of them were at all copying the other that Courtney is the theif. Hell, the only decent Hole song, "Rock Star" is a deliberate dis of Olympia sung in total Bikini Kill style.

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

"and hard to be a girl in punk rock? i think not. hard to be a girl in "hardcore" yes, because hardcore was pretty male dominated. but not in punk rock. nope nope. that was one of the great things about early punk rock, females were encouraged to pick up guitars. and their an EXHAUSTIVE ammount of recording out there to testify to that.

That makes some sense, though I'm sure that most of those icons would tell you it wasn't easy within their scene any more than within rock in general. The thing is, when Bikini Kill got started it was in a world where hardcore was the dominant force in punk, with the punk side of grunge also being a pretty big one in the area they are from (and perhaps even more male dominated with a hefty dose of '70s style rock sexism thrown in) and most of their schtick was a direct reaction against that stuff. They undoubtedly had a point, but it was also made way more the focus of what they were about than their music, which is too bad. The music was some pretty awesome punk rock, which is probably why Sonic Youth got into them and took them under their wing.

[HaydenAsche]

Feminist twat.

[k-krack]

hahaha
You've been a ghost man, what the fuck? You only appear at 2 in the morning... were you killed on the board at two in the morning and only appear at that time to haunt us and make fun of things?

[HaydenAsche]

Originally Posted by k-krack

hahaha
You've been a ghost man, what the fuck? You only appear at 2 in the morning... were you killed on the board at two in the morning and only appear at that time to haunt us and make fun of things?

I just don't have time to visit as much as I used to. I'm fixing a computer and can't sleep.

[Pookie]

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche

Feminist twat.

Pithy.

[SynthethicalY]

She is pretty, form what I heard of Bikini Kill it is alright nothing special. Haven't heard of Le Tigre so can't judge both of the acts.

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by colorsoundkid

She is cute. She is annoying, too.

Colorsound kid? From Harmony Central FX perhaps?

[Dead-Air]

Originally Posted by swa(y)

okaye, i can agree with ya there. the riot girl movement was most def. more so similiar in sound to hardcore (with a slightly more sludgey value at times) than earlier waves of punk rock.

i guess my point is that either way, it wasnt BY ANY MEANS, anything "new". fuck man, even you said it was about females using their bodies any way they choose(something that i feels only part of the whole story)...didnt madonna say (YEARS EARLIER) that "when a man screws around alot hes praised, but when a female does the same shes called a whore"? yes, she did.

was she a riot girl, no! corporate trash...yeah at times. but still no matter what shes ten times more powerful, and vital, than kathleen hannah.

and yes, SY did take them under their wing a bit. however, doesnt suprise me that they dont seem to have too much to say about kathleen these days.

I think Kathleen is still very much friends with SY. She's one of the people included in the interviews in Corporate Ghost. I think Le Tigre has played on some of the same bills with them as well. SY have become a bit less mentorish in general with other groups I've noticed, but that probably has more to do with their having their own families to keep track of (especially Kim & Thurston), and also practically everyone in the band having their own record label to release the disparate groups they're into on.

I do kind of think the amount of effort that mostly males spend calling Kathleen names and saying she hasn't made an impact rather proves what she and her contemporaries set out to show. If she was really so ignorable then wouldn't people just ignore her?

I'll admit I'm biased, I lived in Oly the same time as her, and she was always totally cool to me. Nonetheless, if her art sucked I wouldn't hesitate to say it. I love Bikini Kill's records, and I really like the Julie Ruin disc as well. I like all I've heard of Le Tigre, but I haven't pursued it that much for whatever reason. That whole post-Grand Royale electro thing has never grabbed me that heavily. However, it has no bearing on who the people who do it are, or what they have to say.

It actually amazes me that a decade and a half after the riot grrls wrote their silly messages on their tummies with magic marker, nearly any message board vaguely associated with punk ends up with massive threads full of young dudes calling them all the names they dared people to call them. They must have hit some sort of raw nerve to say the least.

[atsonicpark]

I'd give her a nice misogynistic fuck for all my fellow pigs.

[stadtgorilla]

"I do kind of think the amount of effort that mostly males spend calling Kathleen names and saying she hasn't made an impact rather proves what she and her contemporaries set out to show. If she was really so ignorable then wouldn't people just ignore her?


It actually amazes me that a decade and a half after the riot grrls wrote their silly messages on their tummies with magic marker, nearly any message board vaguely associated with punk ends up with massive threads full of young dudes calling them all the names they dared people to call them. They must have hit some sort of raw nerve to say the least."


THANKS !
I ALMOST FELT LIKE PUKING AT TIMES WHILE READING THIS THREAD...
like..."well, the riot grrls were totally obsolete and untalented, but they looked so sexy..."uuargh.

[stadtgorilla]

yes, i'm quite funny sometimes.

and although i understand that to some people Bikini Kill might hit several nerves (or get on them), they don't deserve to be compared to Puddle of Mudd-actually, why do you spell out that damned name in this country here at all, i spent years trying to forget them.

[golden blue]

Originally Posted by Pookie

I LOVE Kathleen Hanna.

She is sexy and writes great music and boys hate her because they're scared of her.

awesome

[k-krack]

Someone's cranky...

[Washing Machine]

She seems nice, in interviews anyway.

I'm mainly indifferent to Riot Grrl....which is the exactly the reaction that it should recieve