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Old 08.10.2012, 03:13 PM   #61
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Having an edge is never about the music one listens to. Especially these days. I'm usually more impressed by those willing to fuck the preconceived notions of "cool" or whatever. Albini saying he didn't like jazz...I thought that was cool, and I really dig jazz sometimes. Was just sort of unexpected and said a lot more about his own music than I thought it would (honestly, I assumed him to be someone that might dig jazz). I guess a punk rocker talking about Marvin Gaye is kinda cool to me. Giving away albums (not to replace the same ones with vinyl) but for the sole purpose of someone else enjoying them is kinda edgy. I mean, some people have got all they are going to get out of Black Flag + Sonic Youth...course, this doesn't make either band any more or less.

I think Thurston doing the black metal thing is neat. He hasn't a damned thing to prove to anyone at this point. I mean, he's Thurston Moore. He fucked Kim Gordon. He's met virtually any musician worth a fuck over the past 35 years (many of which he's actually jammed with). He's largely responsible for Bad Moon Rising.

Jazz is still a whole hell of a lot cooler than black metal... There's a difference between a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Mary Wells and a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Ok Go.
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Old 08.10.2012, 03:58 PM   #62
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I guess that was unfair, but I have seen a lot of cool young people turn into squares right before my eyes.

Speaking for squares everywhere, I like to ask your opinion......what is the worst thing about being / turning into a square?
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Old 08.10.2012, 04:31 PM   #63
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Al this talk of mid-life crisis as a motivator really pisses me off as a middle aged person who has ALWAYS BEEN IN BANDS FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Thurston is a musician. He is a "band person." He likes "music." Like most people with decent taste, he listens to things outside the areas in which he himself has historically played. Jesus. He wants to explore a new avenue in an area of music that he enjoys and is outside his usual stylistic parameters (though I argue that BM has many qualities that appeal to noise/sonic/no wave fans [tremolo chord picking, raw recording quality and dissonance for instance], and those qualities were in fact what got me interested in Burzum in the early/mid 90s and made me a metal fan when I had previously dismissed the entire field out of hand), and I say good for him.

A fucking midlife crisis band is a guy picking up his guitar after "giving up that youthful bullshit" and playing AC/DC covers or Blueshammer shit with his buddies from work at some neighborhood bar.

Thurston is a lifelong musician. He has always made music and will continue to do it. BIG FUCKING SHOCK. No one is levelling the midlife tag at Lee for continuing to make music he enjoys at this point.

I am not super into Twilight (bought the first LP and didn't wind up keeoing it after a few listens), but it's a solid group and has an audience and there are far worse ways Thurston could have scratched his black metal itch.

Zygotes, man. You come back when you're 40+ and we'll see if you're still even remotely cool. If you are, I guess it's a "crisis."


Fuck it.

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Old 08.10.2012, 04:42 PM   #64
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I still think the defining moment for anyone is the second they stop listening to music around other people and start listening to music alone. Regardless of the genre or calibre, how you arrive at that place and the effect you get from it will generally define the kind of listener you are.
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Old 08.10.2012, 07:43 PM   #65
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Speaking for squares everywhere, I like to ask your opinion......what is the worst thing about being / turning into a square?

You're no square, Bytor. You may be a family man with a good job, but you never turned your back on your true interests because "it was time to leave all that behind."

People who "used to buy records" or "used to go out and see bands" make me the saddest. Stagnation is the sign of true squaredom, and viewing a continued fostering or growth of aesthetic interests (especially if some of those are shared with younger people and their activities) as somehow "juvenile" or something you give up when one reaches a certain age says more than anything about someone's level of squareness. Jobs/families/mortgages are not signs of squareness. Don D. of Borbetomagus is an insurance agent with his own branch in Nyack NY, but he is no square.
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Old 08.10.2012, 07:45 PM   #66
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I have also been too hard on Starcat, who seems like someone who will continue to be "youthfully curious" long after youth is gone.
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Old 08.10.2012, 10:38 PM   #67
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Jazz is still a whole hell of a lot cooler than black metal... There's a difference between a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Mary Wells and a band covering Bye Bye Baby by Ok Go.

I would say jazz is cooler to those that need a lot of history in the music that they listen to. Those that appreciate research, and watching things evolve and take shape. Not that this can't be seen in black metal, it can...just not as much to pull from. That said, I can totally see why black metal might mean more to those that prefer something a bit more obviously dark and raunchy. Not that jazz is never dark or raunchy, it just often times requires a bit more of the listener to pick up on said vibes. All music has it's place. Thurston's done the weirdo free jazz thing...I'm curious to hear what he does w/ black metal. It's clearly an approach that means something to him. All music has it's place.

I mean, does it make me less cool that I occasionally enjoy listening to old Aerosmith records? I mean, despite the bullshit they've become, once upon a time they were a decent straight ahead rock n roll band. Nothing special, just fun riffage that makes sense when driving home from work or being bored sitting around eating candy background noise. Does it make me less punk rock if I sometimes listen to Black Flag right after Aerosmith? Most would say yes. How cool would I be if I cared? Music is music...despite genre or era or how certain outcast sorts identify with certain approaches to it. If it makes people want to do things...like, inspiring some kid to pick up and paintbrush or a guitar or get out of bed and face a day he'd rather not deal with...whatever...I'd say it's valid.
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Old 08.11.2012, 01:27 AM   #68
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People who "used to buy records" or "used to go out and see bands" make me the saddest.
These people hack me off the most because they often want to chat about music just to start any sentence with ''I used to...'' this or ''I once...'' that. Worse still, and this happened to me again recently with someone who is meant to have started a record label to promote local ''interesting music'' and is apparently known as someone with good taste and a keen interest in music, the best they can say about certain bands is that they used to date a member of Coil or got drunk with a goth band in the 80s. Nothing wrong with doing those things, of course, it's just that it doesn't take me long to separate genuine passion for music from the liggers who only want to complain at what they perceive as ''the state of music'' in 2012 because the last time they bought a record was in 1989. If you add on top the sort of talk you'd expect from someone best suited to writing music reviews for The Guardian, it makes me glad to be in the position I find myself in as a listener right now at my age.
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I still think the defining moment for anyone is the second they stop listening to music around other people and start listening to music alone. Regardless of the genre or calibre, how you arrive at that place and the effect you get from it will generally define the kind of listener you are.

But isn't trying to pin down the definitive moment when other people discover how much they enjoy music an indication that you, perhaps, are ''too influenced'' by what you're meant to listen to in relation to them? Maybe it's just me.
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Old 08.11.2012, 11:42 AM   #70
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I haven't listened to music around other people in years, I don't socialise regularly with anyone who likes the types of music that I listen to.

Or maybe that does define the type of listener I am: I am a listener who listens to music that no-one else he knows listens to.





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But isn't trying to pin down the definitive moment when other people discover how much they enjoy music an indication that you, perhaps, are ''too influenced'' by what you're meant to listen to in relation to them? Maybe it's just me.

Perhaps, although i dont see why that should neccessarily be so, and Im certainly not offended by the insinuation like I might have been a few years ago. It kind of implies that you yourself are pure and free of any societal influences when you experience art and music, you may be a bit Aspergers like that, I dont know, but not feeling a connection with some kind of wider culture/politics when you listen to music sounds a bit Thatcherite if you ask me.
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Old 08.12.2012, 10:46 PM   #72
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I don't think there is anything wrong with nostalgia. Looking back on one's roots, tracing their own musical journey, can be fun. At least it is for me. Reality is, Nirvana serves little purpose for me these days (sans the fact that I still think they were a killer band), but I'll spend sometimes a week or two out of the year working my way through their catalog/remembering a time + place where music was sort of this new exciting thing for me. Something I felt that I could identify with and would separate my own taste from that of my parents.

I'm not opposed to new music as far as present stuff is concerned, and there are some newer bands I enjoy...that said, discovering something new more often than not means something old I've never came across. Looking back and finding hidden treasures is just something I happen to find enjoyable, and in NO WAY different than those diggin' on some new band that began two or three years ago. Just way too much shit out there right now. Everyone wants to be and can be in a band. It get's overwhelming.
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Old 08.14.2012, 03:41 AM   #73
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Perhaps, although i dont see why that should neccessarily be so, and Im certainly not offended by the insinuation like I might have been a few years ago. It kind of implies that you yourself are pure and free of any societal influences when you experience art and music, you may be a bit Aspergers like that, I dont know, but not feeling a connection with some kind of wider culture/politics when you listen to music sounds a bit Thatcherite if you ask me.

I have absolutely NO IDEA what you mean with the post above.
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Al this talk of mid-life crisis as a motivator really pisses me off as a middle aged person who has ALWAYS BEEN IN BANDS FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Thurston is a musician. He is a "band person." He likes "music." Like most people with decent taste, he listens to things outside the areas in which he himself has historically played. Jesus. He wants to explore a new avenue in an area of music that he enjoys and is outside his usual stylistic parameters (though I argue that BM has many qualities that appeal to noise/sonic/no wave fans [tremolo chord picking, raw recording quality and dissonance for instance], and those qualities were in fact what got me interested in Burzum in the early/mid 90s and made me a metal fan when I had previously dismissed the entire field out of hand), and I say good for him.

A fucking midlife crisis band is a guy picking up his guitar after "giving up that youthful bullshit" and playing AC/DC covers or Blueshammer shit with his buddies from work at some neighborhood bar.

Thurston is a lifelong musician. He has always made music and will continue to do it. BIG FUCKING SHOCK. No one is levelling the midlife tag at Lee for continuing to make music he enjoys at this point.

I am not super into Twilight (bought the first LP and didn't wind up keeoing it after a few listens), but it's a solid group and has an audience and there are far worse ways Thurston could have scratched his black metal itch.

Zygotes, man. You come back when you're 40+ and we'll see if you're still even remotely cool. If you are, I guess it's a "crisis."


Fuck it.

that's true. above all things thurston is a musician, and it's nothing wrong to try others challenges. a musician with a open mind it's a better musician
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How Thurston Moore Will Contribute to Black Metal Supergroup Twilight

Though it came as a surprise when black metal supergroup Twilight announced that Sonic Youth’s Thurston Moore would be joining them on their next record, the decision wasn’t spontaneous. Founding group member Blake Judd tells Hive, “We actually talked to him two years ago about getting him involved in the last record [2009’s Monument to Time End] and that came together so last minute that it wasn’t going to work out, time-wise.” Now that they have the time, Twilight — with a lineup of Judd, Atlas Moth’s Stavros Giannopoulos, Sanford Parker, Leviathan’s Jef Whitehead, Krieg’s Neil Jameson and Moore — are heading into the studio this August to work on a currently untitled full-length. “We try to do something new or bring someone new in for every record,” Judd said. “Twilight is always going to throw a curveball at you.” Hive caught up with Judd to discuss what the next album might become, touched on the aesthetic of the album, and their future plans to perform live.

Have all of you guys been in the same room yet?

No we have not.

How have you been communicating?

Through email and telephone. We start recording in a few days [and] we’re doing it in two sessions. The first session is just the very core of the band, which is Neil [Jameson] from Krieg, Jef [Whitehead] from Leviathan, and myself, with Stavros and Sanford there helping us out. The five of us are going to write the majority of the record and record it and make some rough mixes of it. Those tracks won’t be completely finished — it will be a skeleton of of the record — and we’re going to send them on to Thurston [Moore], who will have time to get familiar with them and, for the stuff he’ll be writing, it will give him an idea of where we’re coming from. He can base what he’s doing off of that and try to preserve the aesthetic and overall vibe that we’ve created. We’ll all have a few weeks to work on those and then we’ll come back into the studio at the end of August and that’s when Thurston comes into town and, from there, we’ll be finishing the tracks that we started and also recording the songs that Thurston will be bringing to the table.

Do you already have a good idea of what the aesthetic and vibe will be?

The album will be a little more black metal than the last one [Monument to Time End] was. We’re going back to our roots and we’re going to keep it primarily black metal, but — with me and Thurston and Sanford being involved — I think no matter how hard we try to do that, it’s still going to come out sounding very different just because we all have such broad taste in music. It should be a thing of its own and that’s the key goal.

Is Thurston really into black metal?

From what I know, he’s a huge fan. Decibel Magazine ran a feature about Thurston being a massive black metal fan, so that’s where we got the idea from to get him involved. We realized he was into it and we have a direct connection to Sonic Youth, through our soundman Jeremy [Lemos], so we were able to reach them very easily and Thurston was immediately responsive in a positive way from the get-go. He mentioned that he’d be very interested in working together with us in the future, so it’s just manifesting itself a couple years later. We’re all such big Sonic Youth fans, it’s a real blessing to have Thurston come in and be a part of this.

Would you guys ever do a black metal reworking of Sonic Youth songs?

It hasn’t been discussed, but that would be really neat and I’d certainly welcome the idea of doing that.

Down the road, will you all be touring together?

As of right now, the only live performances we’ve discussed are limited to Roadburn Festival next year and one show in the United States, which would be in either Chicago or New York, and happen before the festival. Geographically, it’s very inconvenient for us to get together to rehearse, considering that we have people in this band that live from San Francisco to New York and everywhere in between. We do understand that there is a demand for a live performance but a tour will never happen with this band. Plus, Twilight has always been a studio project.

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I have absolutely NO IDEA what you mean with the post above.

This does not surprise me ONE BIT
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This does not surprise me ONE BIT
If it's any consolation, I don't remember ever reading a post of yours which didn't remind me of the sort of half-baked opinions you'd expect from a recently graduated university student whose idea of controversial is clicking ''like'' on the ''Free Tibet Campaign'' page on Facebook so that he can make everyone else feel guilty if they don't.

Also, what's with the tone of that post? I thought you didn't like patronising people? Oui?
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If it's any consolation, I don't remember ever reading a post of yours which didn't remind me of the sort of half-baked opinions you'd expect from a recently graduated university student whose idea of controversial is clicking ''like'' on the ''Free Tibet Campaign'' page on Facebook so that he can make everyone else feel guilty if they don't.

Also, what's with the tone of that post? I thought you didn't like patronising people? Oui?

And your posts are like a sluggish and unrelenting river of bitter, bitter diarrhea, so what? If psychoanalysing and abusing people on the internet is how you get your kicks then please do, Im always happy to help care in the community cases like yourself if it keeps you from taking your "transgressive" personality into the real world where, yknow, you might actually risk something.
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And your posts are like a sluggish and unrelenting river of bitter, bitter diarrhea, so what? If psychoanalysing and abusing people on the internet is how you get your kicks then please do, Im always happy to help care in the community cases like yourself if it keeps you from taking your "transgressive" personality into the real world where, yknow, you might actually risk something.
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I edited this for precision - his language is much too passive. NS = National Socialist. This is why I hate so called black metal along with the fact that it all sounds exactly the same. So I guess he has the same opinion if you replace "NS" with "Child rapist" or "wife beater" or whatever depraved smallminded bully shit the depraved "artists'" come up with. He has no morals or ethics at all. People think they are edgy or something listening to their "black metal", its a fucking nostalgia trip folks, death metal/black metal was done to death 20 years ago. Judd does not want to offend his customer base.

Nazi's are fucking religious filth that should be wiped off the map.

I don't understand Thurston's interest in this genre - maybe he is not quite the progressive we thought. Usually I don't bug him at shows but this is something I would actually like to hear from him. Why, T, why?

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“In the past, we’ve had some indirect ties to labels and bands that are part of the NAZI scene […] At one point not too many years ago, it wasn’t uncommon for NAZI labels or bands to trade and work with non-politically motivated bands and labels because at the end of the day, we’re all trying to promote, release, and be involved with music—all politics aside. Today it seems like there’s less of a connection, at least for me and my label. We don’t oppose people’s right to be ‘NAZI’ or whatever—that’s a personal choice, and if you live in the USA, you have the right to that opinion. Even though I personally, my band(s) and my label have absolutely no interest in being a part of that scene, I will ALWAYS take their side when it comes to their freedom of speech being imposed upon.”
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